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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (142693)	8/6/2004 1:40:06 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Gee, Sun Tzu, what a kookie list. I mean, if you believe this, woof:"Bush has reduced personal liberties more than Osama ever could".....Ever could? You support a level playing field? What does that mean, do you propose to install a socialist economy? If not, there will always be people with advantages. More than that, do you think that people with brains should be made stupid, or with athletic ability should be crippled? After all, those are matters of fortune, as well. I will leave other points, because they are mostly boastful banalities.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (142693)	8/6/2004 3:01:26 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't think it is immaterial that Osama is at large while we are tied up in Iraq. But 7 of his 8 top operations leaders are either dead, or in US custody. Muhammed Atef, of the the three primary leaders of Al-Qaida is dead, while Al-Zawahiri was wounded at Tora Bora and his wife and kids killed.. Bin Laden has bad kidneys which means he needs dialysis on a regular basis.. We continue to role up Al-Qaida and those who support it.. But it's going to be a long battle because the heart of it all lies in Saudi Arabia, fueled by Saudi oil money paid to the Clerics to keep them loyal.. And I hardly agree about Bush limited personal liberties... If you don't like the idea of Homeland Security, then why not tell the rest of the people out there to "suck it up... we're in a way here!" and quit balling everytime theirs a terrorist threat against this country.. There are going to be plenty more, and some are going to be successful.. The ones that aren't, you'll likely never hear about (sources and methods, y'know.. :0) Hawk

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (142693)	8/6/2004 3:01:40 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

I don't think it is immaterial that Osama is at large while we are tied up in Iraq. But 7 of his 8 top operations leaders are either dead, or in US custody. Muhammed Atef, of the the three primary leaders of Al-Qaida is dead, while Al-Zawahiri was wounded at Tora Bora and his wife and kids killed.. Bin Laden has bad kidneys which means he needs dialysis on a regular basis.. We continue to role up Al-Qaida and those who support it.. But it's going to be a long battle because the heart of it all lies in Saudi Arabia, fueled by Saudi oil money paid to the Clerics to keep them loyal.. And I hardly agree about Bush limited personal liberties... If you don't like the idea of Homeland Security, then why not tell the rest of the people out there to "suck it up... we're in a way here!" and quit balling everytime theirs a terrorist threat against this country.. There are going to be plenty more, and some are going to be successful.. The ones that aren't, you'll likely never hear about (sources and methods, y'know.. :0) Hawk