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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ed Huang who wrote (5611)8/8/2004 5:52:17 PM
From: BubbaFred  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Majority of the response shows very strong bonds. No surprise here, it is as expected.

I have one question for all non-Israeli Jews. How can you be American or British and yet have full support and loyalty for another country? If the U.S. and Israel were at war, which side would you take?
Kareemstein Avi, New York, United States of America

There is no alienation. Jews everywhere are aware that Israel could be their safe haven. However, Jews have always been accused of "dual" loyalty, meaning they were more loyal to Israel than to the country they live in. We learned to abhor this accusation. When I raised my son, I always told him that loving Israel is compatible with loving America, one and the same.
Batya Dagan, Los Angeles, United States of America

Most Jews in the organized community support Israel unequivocally with little regard for ethical considerations. An increasing number of marginalized Jews see Israel as an embarrassment and a mistake. Too few Jews see the complexity of the situation, understand that Israel is fundamental to our existence and realize that coaxing her, even against her will, towards a just political settlement is the most Zionist thing we can do.
Doron Isaacs, Johannesburg, South Africa

The past four years of violence have seen renewed interest in and support for Israel on the part of many Diaspora Jews.
Shalom Freedman, Jerusalem, Israel

The past four years of violence have seen renewed interest in and support for Israel on the part of many Diaspora Jews. The real problem of the Jewish people is the growing assimilation and aging of the world Jewish population. There is also a problem with the ultra-Orthodox and that part of them which is anti-state and ahistorical. We need new leaders with real vision who can inspire our people to greater love and devotion to Israel and to each other.
Shalom Freedman, Jerusalem, Israel

Unfortunately, many Diaspora Jews indentify with Israel only as an insurance policy. They see it as something nice to have in the background and to know that it's there if disaster should ever strike. Their first loyalty is to the countries in which they live. World Jewry needs to understand that without Israel they would simply cease to exist and likewise without the Jewish nation there would be no Jewish state. Jews must understand that their first loyalty no matter where they live must be to Israel.
Joel K., South Africa

Here in South Florida, support for Israel has never been more visible. There have been several rallies, and shows of support, including frequent trade fairs to promote Israeli goods and businesses, and a constant show of support in local Jewish media. Support for Israel, appears to be strong and unwavering. The welfare of Israel and the Diasapora are inextricably linked.
Ian Goldberg, Boca Raton, United States of America

The Israeli population is not representative of world Jewry.
Virginia Wellens, San Luis Obispo, United States of America

A historical incident is relevant here. Frustrated by the lack of immigration to Israel and believing the cause was lack of Austrian aid, Prime Minister Golda Meir traveled to Austria and pounded her complaints on the desk of the Jewish Austrian Chancellor. He explained that most European Jews absolutely did not wish to emigrate to Israel, prefering England, the U.S., Australia - almost any other country. Now, as then, the Israeli population is not representative of world Jewry. Certainly the moral and civilized values, willingness to assume financial responsibilities, and so on, appear increasingly distinct.
Virginia Wellens, San Luis Obispo, United States of America

Israel is and has always been world Jewry. When I visited Israel for the first time, I knew I was home in ways that I could not feel anywhere else in the world. We are one people with one homeland and many opinions. There will always be self-hating Jews(unfortunately), secular Jews, religious Jews, Ashkenazi, Sephardi, right-wing, left-wing, etc., but we are all Jews and Israel is our homeland.
David Landman, Natick, United States of America

World Jewry are as united as ever. They need each other. Every Jew in the world knows that. I say this as a Holocaust survivor who realizes it more than most. Unfortunately, some in the ultra-religous community attempt to restrict those they do not consider Jewish enough, and propose the redefinition of the Law of Return. This could prove to be disastrous.
Steve Gure, Coconut Creek, United States of America

Jews in the Diaspora usually support Israel in theory, but not in practice.
Aaron Harel, Broward, United States of America

Jews in the Diaspora usually support Israel in theory, but not in practice. Jews in the Diaspora, especially in America live in almost complete safety, and feel they have the right to criticize the Israeli government's actions and offer 'peaceful' alternatives while not realizing the full extent of the problems Israel faces. European and leftist American political sentiment in my opinion will cause support for Israel to decline.
Aaron Harel, Broward, United States of America

Most Jews are very pro-Israel. Many my age talk about making aliyah as soon as they are 18. Most anti-Israel Jews are just assimilated self-haters. I've only met one anti-Israel Jew who was not secular, and she was one of those people who only listen to CNN and comments made by the UN. But when active Jews in the community find out that I have a positive connection to Israel, they tend to treat me with a lot more respect.
Raz Olch, Denver, United States of America

Those in the world who care to call themselves Jewish will always see Israel as an inalienable part of Jewish people. Family remains family, no matter what happens. It is only in the fantasy of the Haaretz lefties the bonds are breaking. It is also a fantasy of the Jewish Anarcho-Bolshevist Left to see Israel disappeared from the map of the world, because Israel makes them look bad in the eyes of the "revolutionary" mobs.
Faivus Brauer, Fair-Lawn, NJ, United States of America

If there really is a growing divide between Diaspora Jews and Israel, it may be because they no longer see Israel as the lone country sticking up for Jews.
Avraham Goldberg, New York, United States of America

If there really is a growing divide between Diaspora Jews and Israel, it may be because they no longer see Israel as the lone country sticking up for Jews all over the world. Israel is now undergoing debates on how to remove Jewish civilians from homes in order to create a judenrein area of land. If that is what the government is doing, why should secular Diaspora Jews feel the need to stand up for Israeli policies? That factor combined with a trend of moral equivalency among the liberal secular Jews spells grave danger for Diaspora support from a great deal of Jews.
Avraham Goldberg, New York, United States of America

Diaspora Jews could do better than root for Israel by remote control from thousands of miles away. Now is the time to stand up and be counted by doing. Yes, each one of you can move mountains if you will it. Rooting will not make your vested interest in Israel stronger.
Nat Ben Menachem, Jerusalem, Israel

The radicalization of Israeli Jews will indeed bring them further from the Diaspora values. When the question will be "equal rights" in the bi-national state, the gap will widen even further. "Taxation without representation" is another thing that sooner or later will have to be corrected.
Johanes Franzen, Stockholm, Sweden

Not a separation, but two Israels: one moderate and one mired in religious fundamentalism. The religious right in Israel might want to frame the issue of support for Israel as including blind support for its policies with the Palestinians, but one can still love Israel, be a Jew and be opposed to some of the stringent, sometimes criminal measures the right proposes.
Mitch Wiznitzer, Miami, United States of America

This is an obnoxious question, trying to differentiate Israel from "world Jewry."
Stude Ham, Outremont, Canada

This is an obnoxious question, trying to differentiate Israel from "world Jewry". We are the same and what is really wrong is that there are those who would surreptitiously make that distinction for some scurrilous dogmatic agenda.
Stude Ham, Outremont, Canada

The Jewish communities in the Diaspora do still support Israel in many, many ways. There is nothing wrong with these communities criticizing Israel when the need arises. Diaspora Jews shouldn't be expected to blindly support Israel no matter what.
Eli Michaels, London, England



To: Ed Huang who wrote (5611)8/9/2004 8:53:15 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Both Israel and Saudis
working to elect Bush/Cheney

Mid-East Realities - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - 8 August 2004: 

Now of course neither is going to admit it in front of the cameras, and of course it's also politically confusing for many, but both the Israelis and the Saudis are working hard now to help the election of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and the right-wing neocons.   Each for their own reasons wants the flag-waving crusading Republicans to retain full executive power in the U.S.   The Royal Saudis because of their close relations with Bush and his business-circle cronies, but even more because they fear the Democratic party liberals and dem-neocons with whom they no longer have very good relations.  The Likudnik Israelis -- about to form another 'national unity' government with Sharon at the top thanks to Shimon Peres -- because they have serious military plans for the years ahead and prefer Bush, the evangelicals, and the hard-line neocons so they can push ahead quickly with those plans.   But, make no mistake about it, the Israelis are secure whatever knowing that they will manage if need be with the Democrats whom they also have very much under control -- with Kerry already fully mortgaged to put Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk, and the Zionist team from Clinton years back in charge as we have highlighted before.

Just this weekend the Israelis made it more publicly clear that their posturing and 'withdrawal' schemes -- however disingenuous and duplicitous when it comes to the Palestinians -- are clearly tied to the American November election.   And amidst all the bloodshed and terrorism alerts many have forgotten that the huge historic issues in the Middle East involve oil, petrodollars, arms sales, and geo-strategic control of the region.   The Americans have promised the Israelis that when they can arrange it oil will flow to and through Israel from Iraq -- a very  major economic and strategic boost for the Israelis.  And the Saudis are rushing to open up new oil fields and 'reassure' the oil markets working overtime to bring about lowering oil prices by the time Americans vote get ready to vote on 2 November.




PM will seek to evacuate outposts prior to U.S. vote

Ha'aretz - By Aluf Benn - 08/08/2004:     The government will try to evacuate illegal outposts in the West Bank before the U.S. presidential elections in November, sources in the prime minister's bureau said yesterday. "We have an interest in evacuating them," one said.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is expecting the report of Justice Ministry attorney Talia Sasson, who was charged with finding a legal solution for a speedy evacuation of the outposts.

Sharon's outgoing bureau chief, Dov Weisglass, yesterday said in an interview with Channel 2 that Sasson's recommendations will be presented to Sharon in six weeks to two months. This would give Sharon "more effective tools to evacuate the outposts and he will begin to do so energetically," he said.

Weisglass said "we cannot boast" of moves to evacuate the outposts, but "we will keep this undertaking in full."

According to the defense establishment, 23 outposts have been built in the West Bank since March 2001, when Sharon came to power. The administrative and legal steps to evacuate the outposts were presented last Thursday to White House envoy Elliot Abrams, who met the defense minister's advisor, Baruch Spiegel, and Sasson.

Sharon's aids criticized Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz for not acting resolutely enough to evacuate the outposts, and for publicly confirming the plans to build 550 apartments in Ma'aleh Adumim. Sources close to Mofaz commented "the defense minister and prime minister are fully coordinated and there is no difference in their positions. All the decisions on the outposts and the construction were made by both of them."

Weisglass told Channel 2 that Israeli officials are holding "unofficial talks" with former Palestinian minister Mohamed Dahlan. "He has many acquaintances in Israel," said Weisglass. Senior officials said Dahlan was in touch with Shin Bet director Avi Dichter and head of the Defense Ministry's political-security division Amos Gilad, and less frequently with Weisglass.

Weisglass is due to leave for the U.S. on August 19 for a meeting with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. He was expected to present the separation fence's amended route, but due to delays in planning and the pending High Court debate on the petition against the fence, the route will be decided by month's end.


U.S. checking possibility of pumping oil from
northern Iraq to Haifa, via Jordan

Ha'aretz - 25/08/2003 - by Amiram Cohen:   The United States has asked Israel to check the possibility of pumping oil from Iraq to the oil refineries in Haifa. The request came in a telegram last week from a senior Pentagon official to a top Foreign Ministry official in Jerusalem.

The Prime Minister's Office, which views the pipeline to Haifa as a "bonus" the U.S. could give to Israel in return for its unequivocal support for the American-led campaign in Iraq, had asked the Americans for the official telegram.

The new pipeline would take oil from the Kirkuk area, where some 40 percent of Iraqi oil is produced, and transport it via Mosul, and then across Jordan to Israel. The U.S. telegram included a request for a cost estimate for repairing the Mosul-Haifa pipeline that was in use prior to 1948. During the War of Independence, the Iraqis stopped the flow of oil to Haifa and the pipeline fell into disrepair over the years.

The National Infrastructure Ministry has recently conducted research indicating that construction of a 42-inch diameter pipeline between Kirkuk and Haifa would cost about $400,000 per kilometer. The old Mosul-Haifa pipeline was only 8 inches in diameter.

National Infrastructure Minister Yosef Paritzky said yesterday that the port of Haifa is an attractive destination for Iraqi oil and that he plans to discuss this matter with the U.S. secretary of energy during his planned visit to Washington next month. Paritzky added that the plan depends on Jordan's consent and that Jordan would receive a transit fee for allowing the oil to piped through its territory. The minister noted, however, that "due to pan-Arab concerns, it will be hard for the Jordanians to agree to the flow of Iraqi oil via Jordan and Israel."

Sources in Jerusalem confirmed yesterday that the Americans are looking into the possibility of laying a new pipeline via Jordan and Israel. (There is also a pipeline running via Syria that has not been used in some three decades.)

Iraqi oil is now being transported via Turkey to a small Mediterranean port near the Syrian border. The transit fee collected by Turkey is an important source of revenue for the country. This line has been damaged by sabotage twice in recent weeks and is presently out of service.

In response to rumors about the possible Kirkuk-Mosul-Haifa pipeline, Turkey has warned Israel that it would regard this development as a serious blow to Turkish-Israeli relations.

Sources in Jerusalem suggest that the American hints about the alternative pipeline are part of an attempt to apply pressure on Turkey.

Iraq is one of the world's largest oil producers, with the potential of reaching about 2.5 million barrels a day. Oil exports were halted after the Gulf War in 1991 and then were allowed again on a limited basis (1.5 million barrels per day) to finance the import of food and medicines. Iraq is currently exporting several hundred thousand barrels of oil per day.

During his visit to Washington in about two weeks, Paritzky also plans to discuss the possibility of U.S. and international assistance for joint Israeli-Palestinian projects in the areas of energy and infrastructure, natural gas, desalination and electricity.


Saudis spearhead attempt to dampen oil prices


By Kevin Morrison in London

Financial Times - August 4 2004:   The world's largest oil producers intervened on Wednesday to try to cool oil prices, as Opec reassured customers it could raise output and Saudi Arabia, its biggest member, turned on the taps at two new fields ahead of schedule.

However, the effort did little to reverse the recent sharp rise in oil prices, which set new records in both the US and European key benchmark crude futures on Wednesday. Prices declined only slightly following the announcements from Opec and Saudi Arabia, suggesting that the oil cartel's ability to influence oil markets has been undermined.

Purnomo Yusgiantoro, the Indonesian holder of Opec's rotating presidency, said the oil cartel had spare production capacity of between 1m and 1.5m barrels a day. Most of this idle capacity lies in Saudi Arabia, which announced it had started production at two new fields three months earlier than planned.

However, Opec's spare capacity accounts for less than 2 per cent of current global production, and provides only a small cushion against possible supply disruptions due to terrorist activity in the Middle East, or from the Kremlin's battle with Yukos, Mikhail Khodorkovsky's Russian oil company.

Saudi Aramco, the kingdom's national oil company, said the new fields should eventually boost the country's output capacity by 800,000 barrels a day. Saudi Arabian oil officials have previously said that much of their new production from new was due to replace older wells, which were depleted, and the mothballing of other oil fields. However, they said the closure of the older fields may now be delayed in light of the strong demand for crude.

Concern about oil supplies keeping pace with global oil consumption, which is rising at its fastest pace in 24 years, pushed benchmark Brent crude futures to a record $40.99 a barrel yesterday, exceeding the previous peak of $40.95 reached in October 1990, in the lead up to the Gulf war.

US benchmark crude futures hit another record for the fourth consecutive day when the price touched $44.34 a barrel. However prices retreated after the latest US crude inventory report, which showed a drop in US oil imports. Brent crude dropped 19 cents to $40.48 a barrel in late London trade, and US crude futures fell 55 cents to $43.60 in early afternoon New York trade. “I think prices might be overdone, and we could see prices come back, but only by about $2 at the most,” said Christopher Bellow, an oil trader at Pru-Bache in London.

Record prices over the past month and near record imports of oil into the US are expected to result in another large import bill for the US, the world's largest oil consumer. Recent months have resulted in US crude import bills of more than $13bn, a figure that energy analysts expect to be exceeded for July.

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