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To: XBrit who wrote (53073)8/9/2004 5:43:25 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Father to Son: What I've Learned About Rage
A conversation between a man of legendary fury and his son preparing to go to the barricades about the uses and abuses of Bush hatred.

By Norman Mailer & John Buffalo Mailer

John Buffalo Mailer Letús start with Fahrenheit 9/11. Iúve seen it three times, and with each viewing I became more aware of Michael Mooreús tricks. I would say about 50 percent of the film is indisputable, particularly the portion on Iraq, but in the first half he uses too many needless tricks.

Norman Mailer I donút disagree. I saw it for the first time last night, and was upset through the first half. You donút make your case by showing George H.W. Bush and a Saudi sheikh shaking hands. On a photo op, important politicians will shake hands with the devil. Moore seems to think that if you get people laughing at the right wing, you will win through ridicule. Heús wrong. Thatús when we lose. Back with the Progressive Party in 1948, we used to laugh and laugh at how dumb the other side was. Weúre still laughing, and weúre further behind now.

On the other hand, the stuff on Iraq was powerful. There, he didnút need cheap shots. The real story was in the faces. All those faces on the Bush team. What you saw was the spiritual emptiness of those people. Bush has one of the emptiest faces in America. He looks to have no more depth than spit on a rock. It could be that the most incisive personal crime committed by George Bush is that he probably never said to himself, ôI donút deserve to be president.¤ You just canút trust a man whoús never been embarrassed by himself. The vanity of George W. stands out with every smirk. He literally cannot control that vanity. It seeps out of every movement of his lips, it squeezes through every tight-lipped grimace. Every grin is a study in smugsmanship.

JBM His face does bring out the rage of the left. Never before have I seen so many peopleús blood boil at the sight of an American president. Especially in New York. Of all the cities out there, why would the Republicans pick New York to hold their convention?

NM I would say they are hoping for ugly attacks. If I were a voice in top Republican circles, I might be offering this advice: ôWhat we need for New York is a large-scale riot. Some of those activist kids will be crazy enough to do a lot on their own, but we can do better with a few of our guys, well-placed, ready to urinate on the good American flag. Let us recognize that if we lose, all weúve been doing since 2000 is bound to come out. Back a couple of years ago, Karl Rove was saying that we could gain a twenty-year hegemony by winning the next election. He hasnút said it lately, not since the worst of Iraq came through. Because now we could be out of power for those same twenty years. So I recommend that we put as many of our people into the protest movement in New York as we can find.¤ Or so, at least, speaks the cool Republican planner I envisage in my mind.

JBM There could be such people out there. But the Republicans may not even need them. There are thousands of 15-, 16-, 17-year-old anarchists who are truly angry. These kids donút really know what anarchy is all about, but they do know that when they throw a brick through a window, it makes them feel good and thereús a chance they will end up on television. This feeds into the celebrity craze that America is under right now of ôGet on TV, man! Thatús when youúre really important!¤ This may be the first protest where there will be as many cameras as protesters.

NM Some of them will have footage to sell afterward. The networks and cable companies will be looking for clips.



When I was young, the suggestion to be moderate was like a stink bomb to me. An orderly demonstration? What were we, cattle?


JBM Right, but itús also for the demonstratorsú own protection. A cop is much less likely to bash a protester in the head if heús holding a video camera.

NM I must say, I hadnút thought of that.

JBM I feel weúve entered a realm where the question is, whose propaganda is better? The left is beginning to figure out that they canút beat the right with intelligent argument. They need punch phrases that get to the heart of the average American. If thatús the case, what is the future for our country?

NM Thatús not my first worry right now. Do the activists really know what theyúre going into? Thatús my concern. Or do they assume that expressing their rage is equal to getting Kerry elected? It could have exactly the opposite effect. The better mode may be to frustrate the Republicans by coming up with orderly demonstrations. Now, when I was young, the suggestion to be moderate was like a stink bomb to me. An orderly demonstration? What were we, cattle? You have to speak out with your rage. Well, Iúm trying to say, we would do well to realize that on this occasion, there are more important things than a good outburst. I wish we could remind everybody who goes out to march of the old Italian saying: ôRevenge is a dish that people of taste eat cold.¤ Instead of expressing yourself at the end of August, think of how nicely you will be able to keep expressing yourself over the four years to come if we win. Just keep thinking how much the Republicans want anarchy on the street. I say, donút march right into their trap.

JBM What can activists do to avoid that?

NM Well, the trouble with being in a cautionary position is that youúre limited. Youúre trying to slow down a wave. Everyone expects excessesùitús a question of how many there will be. Most of the leaders of most of the activist organizations are responsible, most of them, certainly. And I think some of them see the peril. They will do well to look at their own ranks and see if theyúve got some peculiarly rotten apples in the barrel.

JBM One of the problems with this movement is that thereús no leader per se. There are spokespeople for each group. But this is a movement that has grown organically and has relied on the goodness of human nature almost to a fault. And I believe itús coming to a head, where, without somebody directing the huge crowd thatús going to be there, without saying, ôThis is what the movement believes in,¤ Middle America will see nothing but anarchy.

NM You make me think of the march on the Pentagon in 1967. There was a marvelous guy named David Dellinger, now dead, who led it, and a man named A. J. Muste, an old anarchist, also gone, a fine old anarchist. They got together and realized they had to find some kind of umbrella organization that could have input to all the activist groups. And they succeeded. They had a series of discussions with the various elements. And there was virtually no disarray to speak of, compared to what it could have been. The march on the Pentagon even ended up having a final effect that was impressive. I think it was the beginning of the end of the war in Vietnam, and for a very simple reason: Lyndon Johnson saw 50,000 mostly middle-class people come to Washington to stage a set of demonstrations that were going to be opposed by troops and police. LBJ knew people well. From his point of view, most middle-class people were hardly full of physical bravery. If they were going to pay their own money and come by car or bus or train to march into the possibility of being hit over the head with a copús club, then there had to be millions of people behind them.

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