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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/12/2004 8:11:23 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Hi Andrew, From your post I take it that you feel Bush is an honest man and has governed in a forthright manner, is that correct? I don't disagree (except for the Kerry part -g) and I think a lot of people who will vote for Bush in November feel the same way about his character.

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/12/2004 8:39:51 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

Compare Bush's life to Kerry's life, honestly. Bush was a son of privelige, got daddy to help him get into the TANG ahead of hundreds of others more qualified so he could avoid Vietnam. Then he couldn't even complete that service and got his daddy to fix that. He was turned down at the University of Texas, only to get into Yale on his poor grades with his daddy's help as a legacy. He traded on his father's position and name to get money for his business "partners". He's probably got several DUI's on his record, and maybe some community service for drugs. The Bush you THINK you know is a creation of Karl Rove.

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/12/2004 9:36:40 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

<<<I support Bush because Bush operates from a centered mind-set which results in a focused vision. He actions in pursuing that vision are an outgrowth of his honesty. What he says you can believe and you can believe it because it is spoken from that inner truth that defines his character. When he commits himself to a course of action, you can know that that course proceeds from his sense of mission designed to accomplish his vision. You don't have to look for ulterior motives because there are none.>>> So what if that CHARACTER is TERRIBLY FLAWED.. What if their vision is completely off course? Throughout history the masses have been fooled and misled by FlAWED CHARACTERS with a FLAWED VISION.. You know them, from Atilla the Hun to Hitler.. They set a course of action and proceeded to accomplish their vision... Was that good? I don't think so and neither do you. I think the reason you like? you support him now, as do the majority of Bush supporters is because you/they voted for him in 2000 and you/they don't want to admit to being WRONG.. You are not big enough a person to say you made a HUGE mistake.. My brother, an HONEST man, on the other hand, admits to voting for Bush but freely admits his mistake.. A Dean supporter, like me, but now for Kerry, rather a vote for ABB.... So it is my opinion, anybody that supports/votes for someone with flawed character, as DEMOSTRATED by his flawed ACTIONS.. Has a flawed character.. Remember Bush and his saying? The new way I mean, <g> "Fool me..." Just check your history and PLEASE learn about flawed characters throughout history...

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/13/2004 12:04:06 AM
From: cirrus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

You are correct in your assessment. It is truly unfortunate that the "inner truth" you so value is nothing more than a one-sided ideological bent that excludes fact and critical thinking from the intellectual process. I support Bush because Bush operates from a centered mind-set which results in a focused vision. He actions in pursuing that vision are an outgrowth of his honesty. What he says you can believe and you can believe it because it is spoken from that inner truth that defines his character. When he commits himself to a course of action, you can know that that course proceeds from his sense of mission designed to accomplish his vision. You don't have to look for ulterior motives because there are none.

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/13/2004 12:14:56 AM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 81568

Vote for a Man, Not a Puppet by Charley Reese Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war – Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neoconservative ideologues and their corporate backers. I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a frontman, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory. It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab king (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own president at their joint press conference recently. John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. It's unfortunate that in our poorly educated country, Kerry's very intelligence and refusal to adopt simplistic slogans might doom his presidential election efforts. But Thomas Jefferson said it well, as he did so often, when he observed that people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush. Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice. It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian. It's no wonder that the Justice Department has convicted a few Arab-Americans of supporting terrorism. What would you do if you found yourself arrested and a federal prosecutor whispers in your ear that either you can plea-bargain this or the president will designate you an enemy combatant and you'll be held incommunicado for the duration? This election really is important, not only for domestic reasons, but because Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world thanks to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration. Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us, Israel, North Korea and Iran as the greatest threats to world peace. I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it. Go to Kerry's Web site and read some of the magazine profiles on him. You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe. Besides, it would be fun to have a president who plays hockey, windsurfs, ride motorcycles, plays the guitar, writes poetry and speaks French. It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face. Killing people has a sobering effect on a man and dispels all illusions about war. lewrockwell.com

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (42513)	8/13/2004 8:17:30 AM
From: cirrus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

In musing over your eloquent description of the Bush mindset it occurred to me that it also quite accurately describes the mindset of my dog. Honest to a fault. Focused on only retrieving the ball. Can't hold two contradictory thoughts in his head at the same time. Simple. Expects others to feed him and clean up his messes. Sorry... this post is flirting on a new low. Understand that I'm NOT comparing Bush's mind to that of a dog, just your description. I personally give Bush more credit than do you... after all, he was smart enough (or devious enough) to manipulate public opinion to convince something like 66% of Americans that Iraq was behind 9/11 when there was never a shred of evidence to that effect. I support Bush because Bush operates from a centered mind-set which results in a focused vision. He actions in pursuing that vision are an outgrowth of his honesty. What he says you can believe and you can believe it because it is spoken from that inner truth that defines his character. When he commits himself to a course of action, you can know that that course proceeds from his sense of mission designed to accomplish his vision. You don't have to look for ulterior motives because there are none.