To: SouthFloridaGuy who wrote (23237 ) 8/15/2004 10:11:04 PM From: TobagoJack Respond to of 306849 Hey LongIslandGuy, A long time. The house you referenced is a fixer-upper bargain, at 30-year nothing-down 6% mortgage (USD 1522/mth) plus tax (90/mth). If the owner owns outright his second hand car, and only needs to take care of insurance / gas /maintenance (USD 350/mth), and eats the basics, say 3 McDonalds meals per day (USD 360), with Kentucky Fried Chicken for the weekends, and skips health care (USD 450), has no girlfriend/wife/kids/dog (USD 1,500 in addition to what the wife would earn), he would need an income of around USD 40,000 per year to make do, with no active savings built up, but with plenty of home equity to draw down when he wants to retire. ... and if he does get married and have a kid, he can make ends meet by extracting USD 2,000 per month from annual refinancing, assuming Greensputin keeps thumb on printing press button. Everything will work out just fine. BTW, did I forget to mention that what cannot be will not be? and real estate will most definitely crash and burn, and break some records as regard to ferocity of drop and viciousness of decline, and no authority will be able to hold it up, and if they try, worse will happen. The house in question? I figure it will eventually go for USD 150k, if that high. Trigger to collapse: jobs, income, interest rate, taxes, expenses, and attractiveness of competing investments, to name a few, or simply demographic slam, or simper still, USD 80/barrel oil. For folks who must absolute buy their own home now, I recommend buying two ocean view homes in choice locales, with nothing down and fixed rate mortgage, and be ready to unload one of two at profit, and be ready to walk away from the other if necessary. Chugs, Jay