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To: aladin who wrote (60831)	8/16/2004 2:41:48 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793772

Here's a Timeline I posted earlier. I doubt seriously that Kerry was actually supposed to be in Cambodia. We would have heard about it, time and time again.....Remember, he is trying to show all of us that because of his Vietnam experience, it gives him a pass to lead the country, forgetting about his experiences and achievements, if any, in the last 34 years. Message 20387232 1968 U.S. has almost 525,000 men in Vietnam. In Tet offensive (Jan.–Feb.), Viet Cong guerrillas attack Saigon, Hue, and some provincial capitals. In My Lai massacre, American soldiers kill 300 Vietnamese villagers (March 16). President Johnson orders halt to U.S. bombardment of North Vietnam (Oct. 31). Saigon and N.L.F. join U.S. and North Vietnam in Paris peace talks. 1969 President Nixon announces Vietnam peace offer (May 14)—begins troop withdrawals (June). Viet Cong forms Provisional Revolutionary Government. U.S. Senate calls for curb on commitments (June 25). Ho Chi Minh, 79, North Vietnam president, dies (Sept. 3); collective leadership chosen. Some 6,000 U.S. troops pulled back from Thailand and 1,000 marines from Vietnam (announced Sept. 30). Massive demonstrations in U.S. protest or support war policies (Oct. 15). 1970 U.S. troops invade Cambodia in order to destroy North Vietnamese sanctuaries (May 1). Also, did find this PBS rememberance of Cambodia during the time... pbs.org Another timeline: polytechnic.org LBJ announces withdrawal from 1968 presidential race March 31, 1968 White House, Washington, D.C. Johnson announces end of bombing and calls for peace talks after embarassing performance in New Hampshire primaries 8888888888888888888 Paris Peace talks begin May 1968 Paris Longest war in U.S. history begins winding down 8888888888888888 Nixon defeats Humphrey and Wallace November 1968 U.S. Nixon wins with 43.4% of popular vote 8888888888888888888 U.S. begins secret bombing of North Vietnam and Cambodia March 1969 Nixon avoids antiwar protests by not telling Congress or people about bombings

To: aladin who wrote (60831)	8/16/2004 3:16:07 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793772

When I was watching the June 30, 1971 Cavett interview yesterday it struck me that Kerry kept coming back to a date for withdrawal. He must have mentioned it 6-7 times. (he really made a big deal out of this issue) I was wondering about the time frame for his secret meetings in Paris with the NV, and did those talks include a promise by him that his organization would include a campaign to demand a date for withdrawal? Maybe KLP can find out when he was in Paris?

To: aladin who wrote (60831)	8/16/2004 3:47:03 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 793772

The differences of opinion are stark. Did Kerry break the law? M O'Grady: Kerry's actions after Vietnam constituted treason ASHLEY H. GRANT Associated Press ST. PAUL - Scott O'Grady, the Air Force pilot who captured headlines in 1995 when he survived being shot down over Bosnia, on Friday said Sen. John Kerry committed "treason" during the Vietnam War. O'Grady, in an appearance with other military veterans coordinated by President Bush's re-election campaign, said Kerry helped push North Vietnam's proposals for the United States to withdraw at a time when the two countries were still officially at war. "I see that as treason," said O'Grady, who lives in Texas and has been speaking at veterans events for Bush around the country. He's now retired from the military. A Bush campaign spokeswoman, Tracey Schmitt, said O'Grady's views were his own. "The Bush-Cheney campaign does not and has not ever questioned John Kerry's patriotism," Schmitt said. O'Grady said he was referring to Kerry's 1971 appearance before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In response to a question about how he proposed to end the war, Kerry mentioned that he was involved in peace talks in Paris. "I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government," Kerry told the panel, according to a transcript. A U.S. law prohibits citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties. Earlier this year, Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan told the Boston Globe that Kerry had "no role whatsoever in the Paris peace talks or negotiations." Meehan said Kerry had gone to Paris on a private trip and had one brief meeting with Madam Nguyen Thi Binh and others. Binh, a leader of the Provisional Revolutionary Government, a communist group based in South Vietnam, had a list of peace-talk points, including the suggestion that U.S. POWs would be released when American forces withdrew. On Friday, O'Grady asserted that Kerry had championed the proposals of the communist regime in North Vietnam about setting a date to withdraw U.S. troops - a situation O'Grady called "treasonous." "That is my own, personal opinion," he said. In his 1971 testimony, Kerry told senators that many officials of the American government had said that prisoners of war would be returned if the United States set a date for withdrawal. "I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that," Kerry testified. Kerry's Minnesota campaign, asked for a response to O'Grady, put forward Jim Bootz, a Navy veteran from Chaska who has campaigned for Kerry. "I don't think there's anything treasonous about what he did," Bootz said. He said Kerry had been trying to help find a solution for the Vietnam conflict. "It wasn't a radical viewpoint," Bootz said. --- Ashley Grant may be reached at agrant(at)ap.org ON THE NET duluthsuperior.com