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To: jlallen who wrote (604939)	8/17/2004 4:03:58 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Events are seared in, not usually dates (an exception: 9/11). People remember what happened, but many times (especially after 30+ years), might not remember the exact date. Is that the BIG CRIME that the righties are all twisted up about? That Kerry said December, but it was really January? You guys are hopeless...

To: jlallen who wrote (604939)	8/17/2004 4:04:05 PM
From: steve dietrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

The memory is seared into you, not the date.

To: jlallen who wrote (604939)	8/17/2004 4:05:31 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Kerry's critics have seized on his varying recollections to impugn his credibility and suggest he has embellished his war record. Steven Gardner, the only member of Kerry's former crews to join Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and actively campaign against Kerry, has told some reporters that PCF-44 was 50 miles away from Cambodia that Christmas Eve. But two of Kerry's crewmates — Wasser and Zaladonis — both told The Times the boat was in the vicinity of the Cambodian border and even fought an engagement with a Viet Cong sampan on Christmas Eve day. "We patrolled a river on the border," Zaladonis said last week. "Unless I'm out of my mind or mistaken, that river was part of the border." There are no after-action reports that pinpoint where Kerry's boat was in late December 1968. But a file from Navy archives in Washington obtained by The Times provides support for both sides. An entry in a monthly summary of engagements for December 1968 reports that on Christmas Eve, "PCF-44 fired on junk on beach. Results: 1 sampan destroyed." The entry was made by then-Capt. Roy Hoffmann, the overall commander of Swift boats and now one of Kerry's most vocal critics. There is no written location for the engagement, but it contains a coordinate used by the military to plot locations. The coordinate points to an area about 40 to 50 miles south of the Cambodian border, near an island called Sa Dec. The entry also notes that the incident took place about 7 a.m., which would have given Kerry's boat another 12 hours to make it to the Cambodian border by nightfall. At a cruising speed of 23 knots, the boat could have covered the distance in about two hours. This would be consistent with the contention of Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan that Kerry was in Sa Dec but reached the Cambodian border later the same day. Message 20419799