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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (606886)	8/20/2004 3:32:03 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I like swiftvets.com is not posting current rebuttals on the URL front page. Below is a statement from John O'Neill responding to Senator John Kerry's August 19, 2004, attack on The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Mr. O'Neill is the author of Unfit for Command. ----- The Navy did not send Republicans or Democrats to the island of An Thoi. We are responding and dealing with something that is deeply personal - our own record and the record of our unit in Vietnam. These are issues Senator Kerry raised and we regret that he uses ad hominem attacks instead of dealing with the actual facts. He is doing that because he can't deal with the truth. For example, for 35 years he said he claimed that one of the turning points of his life was spending Christmas Eve and Christmas illegally in Cambodia, libeling our commanders and our nation with accusations of war crimes. That is a totally false statement because he was no where near Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas day. The Kerry campaign continues to flip flop on the Cambodia issue. In addition, Senator Kerry closed the Democratic National Convention with a story in which he claimed that five of the boats fled on March 13 after a mine went off and he came back. His campaign is now admitting that he fled and the rest stayed. Attacking our organization does not respond to the facts that occurred in Vietnam. Senator Kerry says that he has learned to charge into an ambush in connection with this, instead he is fleeing down the river from the facts.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (606886)	8/20/2004 3:36:19 PM
From: Doren	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

No, the current troubles in Israel are caused by right wing Religious Bigotry. The same people who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin. These people have no problem killing fellow Jews who disagree with their extremist religious views, and they have no problem killing innocent Palestinans either. I don't see Mr Vidrine as anti Jew. He clearly stated that the people he describes are a small subsect.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (606886)	8/20/2004 3:37:58 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"But this is certainly not happening as part of some organized religious phenomenon " Again you seem to run from reality. The Babylonian Talmud, the definitive doctrinal book of modern Talmudic Judaism, clearly advocates violence against non-Jews and even teaches that non-Jews are non-human. Here are a few citations from the "holy" Jewish Talmud: 1. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God Sanhedrin 58b. 'If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.' 2. O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . 'A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.' 3. Jews Have Superior Legal Status to non-Jews Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full." 4. Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..." 5. Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." 6. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. 7. Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows. --------------------------------------------- Every reader can check the accuracy of these citations in this English Soncino Edition of the Talmud: come-and-hear.com

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (606886)	8/20/2004 3:50:31 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"But this is certainly not happening as part of some organized religious phenomenon - as we see with muslims.." We are not simply talking about archaic Jewish tomes from the Middle Ages but the fundamental doctrines that drive the Jewish state today: From Haaretz--an Israeli newspaper: The question is whether the ultra-Orthodox public in Israel, including its leaders and its spokesmen, is prepared to rid itself entirely of the view that non-Jews are not really human beings. haaretz.com Please note that this occurred last week in Israel, not 1000 years ago. The Talmud is continues to be the defining doctrinal book for modern Orthodox Judaism. The Orthodox rabbis are in control of religion in Israel.