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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13903)	8/21/2004 1:53:39 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

But he really worked himself into a frenzy with those calculations of health care costs. He committed a sin by proving your assertions wrong? Sorry, buddy, I'm with OMD on this one. He went to the trouble of finding facts and using them, why don't you? Why does everyone in the health care business need two boats and three sports cars? So that we can go month to month to make the payments for them? This is a rather stupid question. First, EVERYONE in the health care business doesn't HAVE "two boats and three sports cars". What of the janitors in the hospital? The lab technicians? The nurses? The physical therapists? Do they? I've got a doctor living across the street and 2 dentists next door and neither family has "two boats and three sports cars". Nor do we. But tell me: To become a doctor requires 4 years of undergraduate college, 4 years of medical school, and one year of internship in a teaching hospital. That's 9 years of education past high school. That's 5-9 years past where most people expect to start earning money that they still have to pay in for their education. So you think you're going to get people to do that for $30K or $40K a year? Really? We could try your solution. They did in the Soviet Union. Free medical care for all. If you were Ivan Ivanovich, you got a doctor about as likely to kill you as help you. If you were on the Politburo, you got the best. Which do you think you would have gotten? Now, if you have valid arguments to make against OMD, make 'em.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13903)	8/21/2004 2:21:20 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Oh, in addition to Message 20433614 let's not forget that most doctors these days are not GPs- -they are specialists. Internists, general surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, neurologists, gastroenterologists, pulmonologists, cardiologists, dermatologists, pediatricians, ..... For that you add on another 3 to 6 years of training. Figure late 20s to early or mid 30s before they actually start earning money. And there's the little matter of paying back some very hefty student loans for all that. You STILL think you're going to get them for the cost of a bricklayer? Even a union man?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13903)	8/21/2004 2:35:26 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

Message 20433669

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13903)	8/31/2004 9:39:57 AM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman	Respond to of 90947

it was a great post it was a magnificent post! nothing frenzied about it nor was it blatantly exaggerated like these statements: but still means you need to take a second mortgage to pay the deductable... Why does everyone in the health care business need two boats and three sports cars? psssst, just in case you didn't notice, OMD won the debate in one fell swoop post