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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: steve harris who wrote (607291)	8/21/2004 1:36:24 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

I know that Kerry has said that he participated in free fire zones - killing anything that appeared, either during an operation, or after a curfew. These acts are considered to be against the Geneva conventions in that they potentially target innocent civilians directly, and without cause. I think I read where Kerry participated in search and destroy, but don't remember the details. Kerry's point was not that the soldiers were wrong (at least, not typically), but that the leadership was either ordering these atrocities, or placing the soldiers in an impossible position where such acts happened. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the same thing happened and is happening in Iraq. How many stories of innocent families being mistakenly slaughtered at road blocks? The wedding party in Afghanistan that we claimed were Taliban, and the wedding party in Iraq a while back. These crimes happen because we put our soldiers into a situation where they have little training, under high tension, and without proper orders. In Iraq, Bush and his leadership created the situation by their bumbling of the post-invasion, lack of planning, and deliberate shunning of the UN.

To: steve harris who wrote (607291)	8/21/2004 1:37:34 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769670

the rabid nut cases of the left are all in a hissyfit. Text of Swift Boat Vets' Ad Against Kerry NewsMax Wires Friday, Aug. 20, 2004 The new Swift Boat Veterans for Truth advertisement accuses Kerry of betraying his fellow Vietnam veterans and the U.S. Kerry is pictured during his testimony to the Congress after he returned from Vietnam, and quotes of what he said appear on the screen, accompanied by Kerry's voice. Various former POWs recount how they believe Kerry's conduct in criticizing the war hurt them and America: KERRY: "They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads ..." JOE PONDER (wounded 1968): The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans who served in Vietnam were just devastating ..." KERRY: "... randomly shot at civilians ..." PONDER: "... more than any physical wounds I had." KERRY: "... cut off limbs, blown up bodies ..." KEN CORDIER (former POW): "That was part of the torture, that you had to sign a statement that you committed war crimes." KERRY: "... razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan ..." PAUL GALANTI (former POW): John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and my comrades in the prison camps in North Vietnam took torture to avoid saying." KERRY: "... crimes committed on a day-to-day basis ..." CORDIER: "He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?" KERRY: "... ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam ..." GALANTI: "He dishonored his country and, more importantly, the veterans he served with. He sold them out." newsmax.com