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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (198085)8/22/2004 9:07:27 AM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1575424
 
Kerry Defender Rood Contradicted by Crewmate

Where's the contradiction? What i read is an added detail, that the man kerry chased may have been wounded...assuming it's even true. Here's where the story is also going...this is the second piece of evidence of bush's campaign involvment....

Al
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Bush adviser quits after appearing in swift boat ad
Kerry has accused group of illegally working with campaign

Saturday, August 21, 2004 Posted: 11:43 PM EDT (0343 GMT)


ROANOKE, Virginia (CNN) -- A volunteer adviser has quit President Bush's re-election campaign after appearing in a veterans group's television commercial blasting Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's involvement in the Vietnam-era antiwar movement.

A Bush campaign statement said it did not know that retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier had appeared in an ad by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The Kerry campaign has accused the group of illegally working with the Bush campaign.

As a so-called 527 group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is barred from coordinating efforts with an election campaign.

Kerry's camp calls it a front for the Bush campaign and has urged the Federal Election Commission to cite the group, the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee for violating federal election laws.

The 527 groups are named for the federal provision that makes such organizations tax exempt and allows them to accept unlimited donations.

Before his departure, Cordier -- who spent six years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam -- was a member of the Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans' steering committee, campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said in a written statement issued Saturday night.

Cordier appeared in a commercial launched Friday by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which has accused Kerry of lying about his Vietnam service. In it, he and other Vietnam veterans accuse Kerry, a decorated Navy officer, of selling out his old comrades by joining the antiwar movement upon his return home.

"He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?" Cordier asks in the ad.

Schmidt called Cordier "an American hero" but said he would "no longer participate as a volunteer for Bush-Cheney '04" because of his appearance in the anti-Kerry ad.

"Col. Cordier did not inform the campaign of his involvement in the advertisement being run by a 527 organization," Schmidt said.

The Bush campaign called Kerry's FEC complaint "frivolous" in a response released Saturday and urged commissioners to dismiss it swiftly.

A previous ad by the swift boat group accuses Kerry of lying to get his war medals: three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star. Kerry and others say the ads are false and misleading.

The latest ad, a 30-second spot released Friday, uses segments from Kerry's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. In the ad, Kerry says, "They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads," "randomly shot at civilians," and "razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Kahn."

The ad does not include Kerry's preface, in which he said he is reporting what others said at a Vietnam veterans conference. Instead, a swift boat group member refers to the statements as "accusations" Kerry made against Vietnam veterans.

An official transcript shows Kerry was referring to a meeting in Detroit, Michigan, that was part of what was called the Winter Soldier investigation. Kerry has said he regrets some of the comments but stands by his protests.

Two speak up for Kerry

Also Saturday, two former comrades of Kerry backed up the candidate's account of the events that earned him his Silver Star.

William Rood, an editor at the Chicago Tribune, writes in Sunday's editions: "Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened [in 1969] were overblown. The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us."

Like Kerry, Rood was a lieutenant junior grade and skipper of one of the three boats ambushed twice while on patrol February 28, 1969. Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, the Navy's third-highest combat decoration, for his aggressive response to the ambushes.

Rood won a Bronze Star for his actions in the same clash, and writes that criticism of Kerry " impugns others who are not in the public eye."

He says, "It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there."

John O'Neill, who wrote a book challenging Kerry's accounts of his service, said Saturday that SBVT was not challenging Rood's commendation. But in a statement issued the same day, he called Rood's account "an obvious political move" and said the group's accusations against Kerry were drawn from two previous books about the Massachusetts senator.

"Anyone who compares the three books on the Silver Star incident will see that they are substantially identical in the facts," he said.

Rood says in the first-person article that Kerry asked him to publicly discuss his account of that mission.

"I can't pretend those calls had no effect on me, but that is not why I am writing this," he writes."What matters most to me is that this is hurting crewmen who are not public figures and who deserved to be honored for what they did. My intent is to tell the story here and to never again talk publicly about it."

Rood writes that Kerry was in charge of the mission and discussed with the other two skippers how to handle the inevitable ambushes.

"We agreed that if we were not crippled by the initial volley and had a clear fix on the location of the ambush," he writes, "we would turn directly into it, focusing the boats' twin .50-caliber machine guns on the attackers and beaching the boats."

Twice on that day Kerry ordered such a maneuver, according to Rood. Each time the ambushes were quelled.

O'Neill's book said Kerry shot a fleeing Vietnamese teenager to win the award.

Rood disputes that, saying he checked with another sailor on that mission and they agreed that "he was a grown man, dressed in the kind of garb the [Viet Cong] usually wore."

Wayne Langhofer, who now works at a gunpowder plant in Kansas, said he also was present for the battle.

"I was with Kerry when he won his Silver Star, and as far as I'm concerned, he did right," he told CNN on Saturday.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (198085)8/22/2004 9:15:39 AM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575424
 
"Kerry Defender Rood Contradicted by Crewmate"

Not really. Admittedly, Rood did leave out that little detail, but it has been reported before. See what snopes has to say..

snopes.com

Rood might not have seen that the VC was wounded, you kinda expect someone who is shot with a .50 cal. to go down and stay down, not run away. If Belodeau's gun hadn't of jammed, things might have gone a little differently.

You might want to read what is said about other things that are making their rounds on the net...

snopes.com



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (198085)8/22/2004 2:20:04 PM
From: TigerPaw  Respond to of 1575424
 
I don't see any discrepency in those accounts.

TP



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (198085)8/24/2004 12:23:33 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575424
 
<font color=brown> I told you this dog wouldn't hunt; the more these ads run, the more they will hurt Bush! The Bush campaign is just beginning to figure that one out! <font color=black>

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Sinking the Swift Boat Veterans

Though he couldn't bring himself to come right out and condemn the ad campaign by a Republican-funded veterans' group smearing Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, President Bush did urge yesterday that the ads be stopped along with all attacks ads financed by allegedly independent groups. We don't expect that the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will pull their ads, but with holes being shot daily in their boats, the veterans' campaign may soon be taking on water.

At issue are the events of a day 35 years ago when a swift boat commanded by John F. Kerry in Vietnam came under attack along with several other U.S. swift boats. A group of swift boat veterans have launched a campaign asserting that Mr. Kerry did not deserve the battlefield awards he won that day, but their funding sources, along with the testimony about Mr. Kerry's heroism offered by those who were actually on the boat that day, undermines their credibility. And their credibility grows weaker by the day.

William Rood, the Naval officer who commanded a swift boat alongside Mr. Kerry that day, has broken his 35-year silence about the event to condemn the Swift Boat Veterans campaign as "untrue." Mr. Rood's account dovetails with Mr. Kerry's shipmates that Mr. Kerry ordered three swift boats to turn into an ambush and go on the attack themselves, defeating their Viet Cong enemies. In essence, Mr. Kerry behaved heroically, as American soldiers do every day in Iraq, but instead of earning the praise accorded our soldiers he is being smeared by an embittered collection of GOP-funded veterans.

The New York Times last week revealed that the Swift Boat Veterans are financed by an array of Bush supporters and appointees. They are able to fund the ads through a campaign-finance loophole allowing so-called 527 groups to raise unlimited donations and run advertisements as long as they are not technically coordinated with the campaign. Any loophole that allows the Swift Boat Veterans to ooze their way through needs closing.

The Times also shot holes in the claims of the Swift Boat group.
George Elliott, who says in an ad that Kerry was "not honest" about what happened in Vietnam, said at a Kerry news conference when the Democrat was running for Senate in Massachusetts in 1996 that the senator engaged in "an act of courage" in winning his medals. Adrian J. Lonsdale, who claims Mr. Kerry "lacks the capacity to lead," said at another 1996 press conference that Mr. Kerry "was among the finest of those swift boat drivers." Roy F. Hoffman, who also accuses the senator of dishonesty, told The Boston Globe last year that "it took guts, and I admire that" when Mr. Kerry won the Silver Star that fateful day. Dr. Louis Letson says Mr. Kerry lied about his first Purple Heart because he treated him for the injury, but Dr. Letson's name does not appear on any of Mr. Kerry's medical records. And so on, and so on.

There is no doubt that this smear campaign has done harm. The question is whether it has done more harm to Senator Kerry or to a president who could not bring himself to forcefully condemn the smearing of a war hero.


berkshireeagle.com