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To: LindyBill who wrote (63493)	8/24/2004 8:22:43 AM
From: Oral Roberts	Respond to of 793824

Problems 2 and 3 are it in my book. Wonderful piece.

To: LindyBill who wrote (63493)	8/24/2004 8:30:47 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793824

I'm feeling "wonky." Marginal Revolution blog. What is valid in Marxism? Brad DeLong offers a scathing and accurate critique of Marxism. He then asks for five valid points in Marxist doctrine. Who better to have a go at this than I? I am translating all arguments into a modern context and modern analytical terms. Marx as we know him did not write as such. And yes, I do know that you can find many of these ideas in Smith and others. 1. Capitalist systems, especially before reaching contemporary times, can produce less autonomy than small scale production. Standards of living do rise from industrialization. But I look at many of my rural Mexican friends. They could earn somewhat higher wages in factories, but they prefer to paint ceramics at home. It is more fun and they control their time to a large degree. At some point industrialization can undercut the cultures and networks of suppliers that makes such a choice possible. Marx directs our attention to a certain indivisibility of systems. 2. Marxism promotes an alternative idea of freedom, namely freedom from the market. Anyone who has chosen life as a tenured university professor should not claim that such an idea is complete nonsense. Smith thought in terms of marginal tradeoffs. Marx, above all, focused on inframarginal and systematic effects. 3. The benefits of industrialization take a long time to kick in. Reforming postcommunist economies took fifteen years or more. Poland did most things right and people there are still unhappy. So how long should it take to reform feudalism or other preindustrial structures? Forty years? I take seriously the idea that the industrial revolution did not make people better off right away, so did Marx. 4. Being happy at work is one of the most important things in life. Marx saw the importance of this more clearly than did many of the classical economists. And he saw the importance of inframarginal systemic factors. 5. A growing division of labor can make some people unhappier at their jobs. To sum up, we all know that capitalism brings a "creative destruction," to use the phrase of Schumpeter. This is all for the better, but Marx saw how strong both the positive and negative sides of this process would be. And he knew that the relevant problems went deeper than just looking at whether people make rational tradeoffs at the margin. That being said, he overestimated the negative side of the market and underestimated how well capitalism could solve its problems concerning the distribution of income. Of course marxism, as a political program, remains dangerous nonsense. Marx's blind spots were enormous, and I still cannot understand how generations of the intelligentsia were taken in by the whole thing. Posted by Tyler Cowen marginalrevolution.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (63493)	8/24/2004 9:55:22 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793824

I couldn't put it any better. Nor could I. I like the three problems he identified and explained. "Kerry's lies" "John Kerry doesn't show a trace of integrity." "Honorable soldiers or sailors don't brag. They let their deeds speak for themselves." Integrity and Honor...The words are sneaking out.

To: LindyBill who wrote (63493)	8/24/2004 2:56:13 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793824

wish Kerry were better. The truth is that I'm appalled by Bush's domestic policies. I believe that the Cheney-Halliburton connection stinks to high heaven. And I'm convinced that Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld & Co. have done colossal damage to our military and to our foreign policy. But we're at war. And for all his faults, Bush has proven himself as a great wartime leader. Despite painful mistakes, he's served our security needs remarkably well. And security trumps all else in the age of terror. Kerry says many of the right things. But I can't believe a word of it. I just can't trust John Kerry. I can't trust him to lead, I can't trust him to fight — and I can't trust him to make the right kind of peace Yup, yup, and yup.