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To: michael97123 who wrote (143890)	8/24/2004 10:10:28 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It depends on what you meant. Of course there were likely to be atrocities that were not caught, as there are always more crimes than are discovered, but there is no basis for speculating as to the extent. To rely on Kerry's testimony is to rely on witnesses which were often found to be false or unwilling to provide further material to allow for examination of claims. To state that the incidence must have been very high, based on his testimony, is, I think, slanderous, because it treats rumor and subsequently discovered invention as fact. Not that you intended it at all, of course, but one had better have more solid data when impugning a large percentage of combat vets...

To: michael97123 who wrote (143890)	8/24/2004 10:15:49 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

My lai was an atrocity. In terms of atrocities however, our methods of killing in Vietnam do not begin to rival the death chambers in Germany or the biological experiments and blood thirsty slaughter of the Chinese by the Japanese in terms of their ultimate depravity. I believe there is some perspective needed to realize that in war, the killing can and usually does go beyond the realm of civilized, honorable, discrete killing. My lai? How about firebombing villages? Is that an atrocity? No, not according to many people, because there "might" be bad guys in the village, and it is not like you looked them in the eye or tore their flesh with your bare hands -- you just set them on fire from a safe distance. Now, in Iraq, we kill civilians, but wisely refuse to count the dead or give it much thought when beneath the headlines in the fine print there is some mention of women and children being killed along the way. Atrocities? As for the scale of the killing, there are many who dispute the very existence of the holocost, so we should not be shocked to see people here denying that millions of Vietnamese were killed in the war.

To: michael97123 who wrote (143890)	8/24/2004 12:05:53 PM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi, Michael Have you noticed that our choice for president is between which mega-wealthy-dynastic-Yale-Secret-Society-member* lied less about his Vietnam years? I think both sides are using this to keep uninformed Americans uninformed. Reminds me of the old farmer who loved to eat fresh fruit while sitting on his front steps. Someone asked why he always kept a fresh, smelly pile of Dung on his porch. He admitted the dung stank but he claimed "It sure keeps the flies off the watermelon." Sometimes change is just cosmetic. Rascal @AnyBonesManWillDo.com *Skull And Bones