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To: Road Walker who wrote (198656)8/27/2004 9:06:11 AM
From: i-node  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1574261
 
The economy and the country will be healthier when everyone can share in the benefits of the positive cash flow that our great economy generates. We all contribute, it's just a matter of how we divide the rewards for our contributions.

Right. Something along the lines of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". That what you have in mind?



To: Road Walker who wrote (198656)8/30/2004 4:23:58 PM
From: SilentZ  Respond to of 1574261
 
>These facts are not coincidental. The distance between the rich and poor is increasing. And Bush policy exacerbates, rather than relieves, the problem. The economy and the country will be healthier when everyone can share in the benefits of the positive cash flow that our great economy generates. We all contribute, it's just a matter of how we divide the rewards for our contributions.

Dude... let them eat cake!

-Z



To: Road Walker who wrote (198656)9/3/2004 4:35:15 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574261
 
The distance between the rich and poor is increasing.

Perhaps it is. If so it is pretty much the result of the rich getting richer. I don't view that as a bad thing.

We all contribute, it's just a matter of how we divide the rewards for our contributions.

The contributions are not equal. I would go in to more detail but I would first like to know what you are considering a contribution. Are you talking about paying taxes, or just producing wealth, or doing anything positive whether or not it produces wealth?

Tim



To: Road Walker who wrote (198656)9/3/2004 4:39:37 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1574261
 
Problems with the census poverty report.

These are responses to the 2000 and 2003 reports but they are about how the figures are calculated and that hasn't changed.

" Not true, says a recent report from the Heritage Foundation, which identifies three significant sources of bias in the Census Bureau figures. First, the quintiles are not really quintiles. The top quintile actually has 24.3 percent of all income earners, while the bottom contains only 14.8 percent. That's because the bureau counts households, rather than individuals, and high-earner households are more likely to be composed of married couples with multiple earners than are low-income households. Second, the bureau leaves out some forms of income, including government benefits such as food stamps, and fails to adjust for the significantly higher taxes paid by high earners. Third, the bureau doesn't account for the fact that those in the top quintile work nearly twice as many hours as those in the bottom. After these adjustments, says Heritage, the spread is reduced to $3.08 for every $1 earned."

reason.com

"...Unfortunately, the whole notion of poverty is extremely subjective. The original definition was based on food consumption, which then took about a third of a low-income family's budget. Now it's about 20 percent, but in the meantime many new needs have emerged that one can reasonably argue have become necessities of life.

Two hundred years ago, Adam Smith recognized that our concept of adequate living standards will change over time. Today's luxuries become tomorrow's necessaries. "By necessaries," he said, "I understand, not only the commodities which are indispensably necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without."

Smith noted that a linen shirt would be considered necessary in his time even though the ancient Greeks and Romans got along fine without linen at all. So too, many items that did not exist even in the recent past are often considered necessary for life today, even by the poor.

In a supplementary report that got no press attention, the Census Bureau looked at some of these new necessities and their ownership by the poor. It turns out that many poor people today own appliances that were considered luxuries when I grew up, and some would still be considered luxuries today. For example, 91 percent of those in the lowest 10 percent of households — all of whom are officially poor — own color TVs, 74 percent own microwave ovens, 55 percent own VCRs, 47 percent own clothes dryers, 42 percent own stereos, 23 percent own dishwashers, 21 percent own computers, and 19 percent own garbage disposals.

When I grew up in the 1950s, only the wealthy owned color TVs, clothes dryers, stereos, dishwashers, and disposals. These were all considered luxuries. We got by with black-and-white TVs, hanging our wet cloths on a line to dry, washing dishes by hand, and throwing our potato peels in a pail instead of down the drain. So did most other middle-class families. Not even the wealthiest people owned microwave ovens, VCRs, or computers.

Some economists have suggested that using consumption, rather than income, as the measure of poverty gives a better idea of the true economic condition of the poor. They note than many of those officially classified as poor based on income actually live quite well. For example, many are elderly who own their homes free and clear. Others may just be poor temporarily and can draw down saving to tide them over. An analysis by economic Daniel Slesnick found that the official poverty rate of 13.8 percent in 1995 would actually have been 9.5 percent if based on consumption rather than income.

The Census Bureau itself acknowledges serious limitations to its calculations. One problem is that it is required by law to use a measure of inflation that is known to overstate price increases. Using a corrected inflation measure would have lowered the poverty rate from 12.1 percent to 10.8 percent last year. The inclusion of income that is not now counted, such as noncash income transfers like food stamps, would lower the rate to just 7.5 percent.

Lastly, it is worth noting that few of the poor remain poor for very long. According to the Census Bureau, over half of all those classified as poor between 1996 and 1999 were so for less than 4 consecutive months. Eighty percent were poor for less than a year. This sort of income mobility means that our measures of income inequality are also overstated, according to a new Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco study."

nationalreview.com