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To: TimF who wrote (144241)	8/27/2004 12:53:19 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Actually, most observers, including MacNamara, seem ready and willing to accept the Vietnamese Government's estimate -- MacNamara in particular was bit on tracking "body count" statistics. I don't know how you can avoid the conclusion that we were the main cause of death in the north -- who else was up there bombing the place into moon-scape? As to who did most of the killing in the south, there is no doubt substantial reason to give credit to the VC as well as the US. In any event, those who deny that millions were killed and who deny our central role are dismissing what all the known facts suggest -- we killed millions of Vietnamese and killed more civilians than VC soldiers. There will always be doubt about how many million --but no doubt about the fact that our killing was on a huge scale and included horrendous civilian casualties. I can see why you and others don't want this acknowledged, but like the Germans and the Japanese after WWII, I believe it is necessary to be honest about the war for the purpose of never doing the same thing again and taking responsibility for what you have done in the past.

To: TimF who wrote (144241)	8/27/2004 12:55:50 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Tim, Yes, We prolonged an historical inevitability in vietnam. Thats what the vets cant get over. In their heart of hearts i think they know this and with all the dying and killing that went on their, they must view that time for what it was--holy hell. At least in WW2, those vets were fighting for something real and tangible. so when they came home they moved on. Yes they killed and had buddies died in their arms but they were indeed fighting for the countrys very survival. Is WOT and by extension War in iraq the former or the latter? I vote the latter for even with all the failings and warts in iraq in particular its still a war we must win. Mike