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To: GST who wrote (144460)	8/30/2004 5:44:21 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Iraq is fighting for liberation -- that is the reality we face. That is factually incorrect. You have once again begun bolstering the Al-Sadr fascist conquerers while painting America and its cause as unjust. "We can behave accordingly or we can pretend it is otherwise. Pretend if you like, but it does us no good to pretend." It is otherwise and there is no pretense about it. Unfortunately, what we are now discussing is a matter of perspective. What is Iraq fighting for? There is no Iraq except as defined via perspective. From my perspective it is an all inclusive nation of individuals and diverse groups and unless the perspective is representitive of all it is not a valid perspective when refering to "What Iraq is fighting for." If it is an all inclusive nation of diverse people bounded by existing political borders, then your (Al-Sadr's) definition of Iraq is invalid. If it is an all inclusive nation of diverse people bounded by political borders, then the struggle is to establish one liberal democracy that recognizes the rights and diversity of individuals and groups vs a struggle for ethnic and fundamental religious fascists to conquer and rule over others according to their particular bent. There is no Iraqi unified "fight" to have anything except the one thing that we are supporting and that is a liberal democracy. Al-Sadr and others like him are fighting against that, which is a fight against liberty and justice for all. At the time when their is AN IRAQ that is not a brutal tyrannous regime of fascist Arab fundamentalists that speaks as a nation for their best interests, I will be interested. The closest voice that represents that right now is the coalition government. We don't want to be there and they don't want us there any longer or to any greater capacity that is needed to ensure security for the Nation of Iraq ... which is not represented by the fascist regimists who claim to speak for Iraq. That is my perspective... now you need to qualify your perspective that there is a valid Iraq, that is fighting against the US for its liberation from the US. I see only evil fascists who want to rule (NOT IRAQ) and they are fighting against the idea of having a free democratic state where diverse individuals and groups are afforded liberty and justice on an equal basis. I have qualified that statement already. Your turn...