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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (21317)	8/31/2004 2:27:43 PM
From: chowder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

>>> It was years before he ran for office again. When he did, he did not run on a decade old reputation as a veteran or as an anti war candidate, he ran as John Kerry. <<< He ran as John Kerry the Irishman with the support of the Kennedy clan. For a couple of decades, he led the people of Boston to believe he was Irish. It was only last year that he revealed he wasn't Irish. And don't tell me the Irish of Boston didn't feel betrayed by the deception. My family and my wife's family is from Boston and I know they were pissed at the deception. That tells me a lot about Kerry. Pretend you're Irish when you're not. Pretend you're for the war when it benefits you, pretend it doesn't when you think it will help you that way. We can debate the motives all day long and get nowhere. What can't be disputed is that a majority of vets feel betrayed by Kerry and so do a lot of Irishman. dabum

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (21317)	8/31/2004 2:59:38 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Ed, You have way too much admiration for the big ivies, that's one thing I can say. Debating star at Yale? They have them every year, lemme tell you, and everyone who graduates from the ivies who was on the debate team will tell you what a star he/she was. What exactly makes someone a "debating star" anyway; the ones I knew in college seemed to be required to be nerds, first and foremost. Oh well. I'll just let your other encomiums for Vietnam's Audie Murphy go unchallenged, as I wish to give you the last word (as many as you like) on the subject. I still can't figure out why JK didn't get the medal of honor, though . . . As for academic success, hmmmm, I wonder how good John's grades at Yale were since I've never seen any cum laudes or magna cums (much less summa cums) associated with his degree. JK is not shy about tooting his own horn, so, shall we assume that he was about a grade inflated B+ student? And, coming out of Yale, even if he wanted to stay in the Northeast area, ya gotta figure he didn't make it into Harvard, Yale, Penn, Columbia, NYU, Cornell, Georgetown, or even Boston University. Ended up at Boston College for law school. Such a brilliant fella and Yale didn't want him? Well, maybe there was another reason, who knows (I bet you do, Ed). But I know, in the hagiography that accompanies all Democratic candidates, they are all brilliant students (the Kennedys were notoriously poor students at Harvard, none made it into the Law School there, no matter how much $$ the family had, Teddy was thrown out ("rusticated") for a year for cheating while an undergrad), and every single Republican who has held high office has been characterized as stupid or, in the rare case (which, see, Nixon), smart but devious. It's just part of the scenery. (The truth is, one of the most intelligent presidents we had, on pure academic achievement, was Gerald Ford: football star at Michigan AND Yale Law school, but he was constantly lampooned as "dim" by the press, as was Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush I and of course Bush II.) Kb