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To: Skywatcher who wrote (615977)	9/1/2004 2:01:36 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 769670

I wouldn't let it into the country either... danielpipes.org * He has praised the brutal Islamist policies of the Sudanese politician Hassan Al-Turabi. Mr. Turabi in turn called Mr. Ramadan the "future of Islam." * Mr. Ramadan was banned from entering France in 1996 on suspicion of having links with an Algerian Islamist who had recently initiated a terrorist campaign in Paris. * Ahmed Brahim, an Algerian indicted for Al-Qaeda activities, had "routine contacts" with Mr. Ramadan, according to a Spanish judge (Baltasar Garzón) in 1999. * Djamel Beghal, leader of a group accused of planning to attack the American embassy in Paris, stated in his 2001 trial that he had studied with Mr. Ramadan. * Along with nearly all Islamists, Mr. Ramadan has denied that there is "any certain proof" that Bin Laden was behind 9/11. * He publicly refers to the Islamist atrocities of 9/11, Bali, and Madrid as "interventions," minimizing them to the point of near-endorsement. * Intelligence agencies suspect that Mr. Ramadan (along with his brother Hani) coordinated a meeting at the Hôtel Penta in Geneva for Ayman al-Zawahiri, deputy head of Al-Qaeda, and Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh, now in a Minnesota prison. * Mr. Ramadan's address appears in a register of Al Taqwa Bank, an organization the State Department accuses of supporting Islamist terrorism.

To: Skywatcher who wrote (615977)	9/1/2004 2:04:45 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

When I ask about the source of this information, invariably the response is: This is well-known; check the Internet and you will find thousands of pages referencing it. A closer examination reveals journalists and intellectuals quoting each other, infinitely repeating what others have said. The response to this finding is: "Well, there has to be some truth in all that." A strange truth indeed! This is a well known and used Republican smear tactic. They use it all the time; spread a rumor without any substance, then keep it alive because, as the logic goes, it must be true to have such legs... When someone tries to find the source, or argue the facts, or engage any of the rumormongers in a factual discussion, the rightist melt away. Sometimes they'll cut-and-paste some of garbage that is also built on innuendo or what I like to call 'Coulter research'; sprinkle a few distorted facts into pages and pages of pejoratives. An example is this book The New Soldier by John Kerry that shows what a traitor he is. Well, in fact, the book isn't really by John Kerry, and actually contains very little material by Kerry. In fact, it is the rememberances of a whole lot of other Vietnam vets, who recount stories of not only atrocities, but waste, brutality, corruption, and lack of competent leadership in Vietnam. In fact, the little that Kerry contributes consists of a recounting of his Senate testimony and an epilogue which is basically a pro-peace article that is fairly thoughtful and mild. But, to hear the rightists, it is the biography of Benedict Arnold. Yet, few if any are familiar with its contents. In fact, they simply repeat the factless story that Kerry is attempting to suppress the long out-of-print book. The rightists are using the internet to create, spread, and keep alive rumors and lies that take on a life of their own, and thus 'must be true'. They are the urban legend creators of our day, but have twisted that bit of Americana for their own political evildoing...