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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67113)9/5/2004 2:33:00 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793928
 
Death toll soars to 322 in Russia school siege

[KLP Note: This found on the Boston Globe site, has WaPo in the header, and at the bottom says copyright NYT]

By Peter Baker and Susan B. Glasser, Washington Post | September 5, 2004
boston.com

BESLAN, Russia -- Hundreds of children, their parents, and teachers died in the bloody culmination of a 52-hour siege that began when heavily armed Muslim guerrillas stormed their school Wednesday and ended in hours of battle with Russian troops Friday.

Putin links failure to prevent crisis to post-Soviet 'weakness.' A14.

The battered and scorched survivors of Beslan's School No. 1, many of them half-naked children, filled the region's hospitals as troops continued to fight through the afternoon with guerrillas holed up inside the school. Twenty-six of the fighters, described as Chechens, Russians, Ingush, and Arabs, were killed, officials said.

Only by late Friday and early yesterday did the scale of the bloodshed in this small town in the region of North Ossetia, west of war-ravaged Chechnya, become clear. A top Russian official acknowledged on Friday what anguished relatives had been saying for days: More than 1,000 hostages had been inside the school, the majority of them children.

And yesterday, officials revised the toll of dead upward, announcing that 322 people had died, including 155 children. That number was expected to rise. Between 500 and 700 injured former hostages were hospitalized Friday, more than 300 of them children, according to varying official accounts. Hundreds were unaccounted for.

The worst carnage, according to escaped hostages and rescuers, occurred at the start of the pitched battle just after 1 p.m. Friday, when the guerrillas exploded the bombs they had rigged inside the school's cavernous gym. The children had been held there without food or medicine, and scores perished when the gym's roof fell on them.

"The whole floor is covered in bodies," said Alan Karayev, a local sumo wrestler who entered the gym as a volunteer to recover the children's remains. "There is no ceiling at all. The roof all fell down on the children."

Their school turned into a battlefield, those hostages who could fled. "Many, many dead. Many dead children," said a young boy who said he had been blown out of a window by an explosion. He was distraught but apparently not injured, flanked by his wailing grandmother.

President Vladimir Putin, whose only comment during the siege had been a pledge to "save the life and health of those who became hostages," remained silent throughout the long afternoon's battle and into the evening as Russians took stock of the losses. In the middle of the night, he visited Beslan and called the attack "inhuman and cruel." The whole country, he told local leaders, is "feeling your sorrow, thanking you, and praying for you."

World leaders, including President Bush, offered condolences as they absorbed what Bush called "another grim reminder" of the brutal tactics used by terrorists.

Russian officials said the battle was started by the guerrillas and denied any intention to launch a rescue attempt, a tactic Putin had ordered two years earlier during a Moscow theater siege that resulted in 129 deaths. "We didn't expect this to happen," said Aslanbek Aslakhanov, Putin's top aide for Chechnya, who flew to Beslan on Friday to participate in negotiations that never took place. "What has happened today you know yourselves was started by terrorists."

The siege of School No. 1, attended by students aged 6 to 16, began just after 9 a.m. Wednesday when the guerrillas blasted their way into the building at the end of the opening-day assembly. Though Russian officials never confirmed it publicly, the hostage takers demanded the withdrawal of Russian troops from Chechnya and the release of prisoners taken after a guerrilla raid this summer in the neighboring region of Ingushetia. They also demonstrated their seriousness by mining the school with explosives and threatening to blow it up if Russian forces moved in on them.

For 52 hours, that didn't happen.

Then came what looked to be progress midday Friday, when the hostage takers agreed to allow Russians to collect several bodies -- how many remains unclear -- of adults killed in the initial shootout. At 1 p.m., four doctors from the Emergency Situations Ministry arrived to do so.

Instead, a battle erupted.

First, two powerful explosions from inside the building rocked Beslan. Soon, scores of hostages started fleeing, some of them dodging gunfire from the guerrillas. "When the children ran, they began to shoot them in their backs," said Putin aide Aslakhanov.

"Bandits opened fire on the escaping children and adults," said Valery Andreyev, regional head of the Federal Security Service. "To save their lives, we retaliated." In the chaos, some of the hostage takers also tried to escape, officials said.

After initial confusion, the Russian attack began. Helicopters roared overhead, special forces stormed the building, tanks swerved into position. Many of Beslan's anxious fathers also ran toward the school, some armed, some not -- intent only on rescuing their children.

Amidst the shooting, many young hostages, most of them barefoot and almost naked after three days in the withering heat of their gym-turned-prison, ran or limped or were carried to safety. Those still standing gulped bottles of water handed to them by rescue workers. "They're killing us," a young girl on a stretcher told a police officer. "They're exploding everything."

At the local House of Culture, where parents had kept vigil for three long days, women cried and hugged each other as the sounds of the nearby battle sank in. One of them screamed, "Why? Why?" No one had an answer.

By 2:30 p.m., a traffic jam of ambulances crowded outside the school, and civilians turned their Zhigulis and Ladas and BMWs into rescue vehicles as well. There were nowhere near enough. Many of the injured were bloodied, burned, and covered in dirt. A man came out carrying a naked girl, her hair matted, her body streaked with shrapnel cuts, her head lolled back. He laid her on the ground and tried to revive her. When she didn't respond, he started to cry.

The rescue operation was interrupted by a new round of shooting, right near the line of makeshift ambulances. Rocket- propelled grenades and gunfire from automatic rifles sent the volunteers retreating a block farther from the school, and it was there that four children's corpses soon appeared, laid out under bloodstained white sheets. Several parents came up and looked under the sheets, searching. Then an old woman in a torn flowered dress was brought out on a stretcher, also dead, and rolled onto the grass next to the four children.

"Are there dead children? Where are the dead children?" a woman shouted as she ran up to inspect the bodies. She was looking for her 12-year-old nephew but did not find him there.

Across the railroad tracks that divide Beslan, the scene at the hospital was bedlam. The courtyard was crowded with rank upon rank of stretchers with injured and dazed children.

Hundreds of relatives clamored to inspect the handwritten lists of the wounded.

Through it all, the battle with the remaining guerrillas continued. Some apparently remained inside the school well into the evening -- eight, according to the Russian news agency Interfax. Others escaped and fought elsewhere in Beslan with Russian troops. As night fell Friday, the school's gym was still smoldering, its massive windows blown out. The walls inside were pocked with bullet holes and echoed with periodic gunfire and explosions.

Only well after 11 p.m. did Russian officials announce an end to the battle. "Resistance of the terrorists has been fully suppressed," said a statement from the emergency headquarters.

The school seizure capped an already deadly week of terror across Russia blamed on Chechen separatists, with the nearly downing of two airliners and a suicide bombing at a Moscow subway station that together claimed 100 lives.

From the start, relatives in Beslan feared mass fatalities, remembering the outcome in previous hostage crises in Russia, such as the 2002 Moscow theater siege and the takeover of a hospital in 1995.

But in a sign that Russian authorities were considering a different course, government mediators reached out to Chechen separatist leaders for the first time in years in hopes of resolving the crisis.


© Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67113)9/5/2004 8:15:26 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793928
 
We just had axe murderers in a kindergarten in southern Russian

No, we didn't have axe murders, we had terrorists, particularly heinous terrorists, or so it would seem.

Perhaps we're having a terminology problem. I was using "axe murderer" to CONTRAST the garden-variety, vicious spree or serial killer from the terrorist killer. Their purposes are different. In the former case, the killings are absolutely meaningless--the manifestation of pure evil. In the second case the killings have political purpose. We may not agree with that purpose or that the purpose justifies such a vile act, but there is political purpose. Perhaps you are using "axe murderer" to signify simply the vileness of the killing while to me it's a tactic. If so, then we are using the terms differently thus talking about two different things.

surely those who don't give little children food or water for 3 days then blow them up and shoot them in the back as they flee are the same as axe murderers

In that case, the terrorists are clearly the moral equivalent of axe murderers, IMO. They are not, however, the same. Axe murders murder to murder. Terrorists murder to terrorize for political gain. (I am assuming that was the purpose in that case.)

If the civilized world is not able to define ANYTHING as absolutely barbaric, how can the civilized world defend itself from encroaching barbarism?

I have no problem with categorizing the incident in Russia as "absolutely barbaric." I've already stated my criteria for potentially acceptable terrorism. I already stipulated that targeting little kids was especially horrid. For that reason, that event in Russia for me is the worst example of terrorism I can remember.

I also said that I disapproved of the intifada variety of terrorism. And implied that US domestic terrorism was unacceptable. The question I thought we were discussing was whether terrorism is absolutely barbaric. That means terrorism in all its manifestations. I'm not sure that that is the case.

how can the civilized world defend itself from encroaching barbarism?


The establishment has power. The establishment always sets up rules to protect itself from encroachments. Power and civilization (antonym of barbarity) are not necessarily the same. The examples I gave you were of our civilization, the one in which you and I are happy participants, being crushed. I mentioned commies, Centaurians, and Islamicists. I questioned whether we should appropriately be squeamish about using terrorism to fight off the death of our civilization. If terrorism is, indeed, acceptable to fight off the demise of our beloved civilization, then terrorism can not be absolutely barbaric.