To: CalculatedRisk who wrote (22462 ) 9/9/2004 3:01:09 PM From: longnshort Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 Hasn't been debunked, rumor is Dan Rather is trying to leave the country. CBS used forged documents to "prove case"? Powerline explains how the memos from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian, were in fact forged. Now I wonder who would do such a thing to try and discredit President Bush using forged memos from a dead man. Probably the same folks that get dead men to vote for them. #5 makes an interesting point. MORE DEFINITIVE PROOF OF FORGERY: I had neglected even to look at the August 18, 1973 memo to file. This forger was a fool. This fake document actually does have the tiny "th" in "187th" and there is simply no way this could have occurred in 1973. There are no keys on any typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th." The forger got careless after creating the August 1, 1972 document and slipped up big-time. Heroes from the Past has some great input also. You cannot lie and forge and expect to hide from the Blog World - CBS and the rest of the "big" name news organizations - get use to it. We bloggers are not going away. UPDATE 1: Kerry Spot If they ran with a story based on a forgery (and a forgery that the blogosphere managed to check out in just a few hours) this report will join Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair, and Janet Cooke in journalism's hall of infamy. UPDATE: From Kerry Spot reader Christopher: "As a graphic designer, another thing pops out at me in that supposed Guard memo...the apostrophes. They don't seem consistent with a typewriter. A typewriter would have straight apostrophes, not the curly-queue kind." UPDATE, AGAIN: Ready for real typeset-lingo? A couple of Kerry Spot readers explain that the memo linked above is "proportionally spaced," meaning a thin letter like an "i" or an "l" takes less space than an "n" or an "m". Apparently proportional spacing was impossible on typewriters during this period Democrats, are indeed the party of the little people. I mean how litle can you be to do something like this to win. UPDATE FROM MATT MARGOLIS: To test the Microsoft Word theory, I created a new document from scratch and typed in the first paragraph of the numbered list in the questioned document verbatim.: 1. Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I’m having trouble running interference and doing my job. Harris gave me a message today from Grp regarding Bush’s OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it. Bush wasn’t here during rating period and I don’t have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate. Austin is not happy today either. There appears to be 2 spaces afterthe sentence "I will not rate." And all the words line up just about perfectly using Times New Roman size 12. Each line ends in the same word. I would tend to believe that the chances of a person in 1973 anticipating the appropriate time to go to the next line in the exact manner that Microsoft Word (a program that did not exist then) does it automatically due to preset margins is highly unlikely. A couple of those lines end in words short enough that a person may not have anticipated the need to start typing on the next line to prevent encroaching the margin. UPDATE: Drudge notices: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake /// 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard service may have been forged using a current word processing program // typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program, Internet reports claim... Developing...