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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (623027)	9/12/2004 4:58:41 PM
From: MichaelSkyy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Thomas, With all due respect, as a "Recovering Catholic", I personally don't give a 'rats poohtooty' about your religious indignation...Why don't you 'folks' take this discussion somewhere else...and please don't try to embroil me in this, I'm VOTING for President Bush!!!!!!! Mike

To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (623027)	9/12/2004 6:29:37 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Johannes Pilch says, "It is not libel. " Well it is not - not yet. Johannes Pilch has voiced an opinion. Any who would believe this has anything to do with a man with any concept of God, or reason, or honesty is seriously deluded You're only saying here that if anyone believes it, they are crazy. That has nothing to do with logic, except but to underscore what logic is not. I have no need to prove the falsity and maliciousness of a claim before claiming libel. Well fine. Go ahead and make the claim. Thinking people will simply know it is false. Johannes Pilch, Must you prove that I must do anything or something before I say what I believe to be truth using terms I consider to be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth or not. Of course the point is, or should be, getting thinking people to agree with you. But when your only argument against a claim is to call the claimant names, you have quite obviously failed. God gave me the right to speak freely what I know is truth. My understanding of God, logic and reason make this self evident to me. No one is claiming you don't have a right to make a complete horse's ass of yourself Watson. I am merely pointing out that when you use that right in response to someone's vehement rejection of your church, you are being nothing but a complete horse's ass and not one who is sincerely injured by bigotry. libel, A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. You must prove libel, you must prove the publication is false (which in this instance you have not done). You are just throwing around words to fake injuries that simply do not exist. This is just leftism and you ought to stop it. As a I profess I am a Catholic, the assertion of #reply-20515115 damages my reputation. Dear me. Some logic here, Watson. You are stretching to make the syllogism work and it just never can. These guys never attacked you personally. They didn't even attack general Catholics. They attacked your church's leaders, this, based upon the perceived actions of those leaders. This is valid. There is not a shred of bigotry here and not a single bit of libel against you. The only fit response for you to take in these circumstances is to come back with a real argument showing why your opponents' perceptions are wrong, or, you may simply shut up, which in your case is probably the best course to take. These guys are not bigots for holding their views here, and they are not libelers.