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To: LindyBill who wrote (70671)	9/15/2004 10:57:19 PM
From: aladin	Respond to of 794253

Dan Rather: 'I Flat Out Lied' About Bush Memos by Scott Ott (2004-09-15) -- CBS News reporter Dan Rather, with characteristic candor and objectivity, told his Evening News audience tonight, "I flat out lied" about the authenticity of memos which seem to show George W. Bush tried to evade service in the Air National Guard in the early 1970s. "People have placed their trust in my words for four decades," said Mr. Rather. "With that kind of credibility, I never thought anyone would question the memos. I figured by the time the news broke, President Kerry would have named me as White House spokesman." Mr. Rather added, "In light of the revelation that I lied through my teeth to the American public, I am announcing my retirement so I can devote full time to writing my memoir." Random House has already offered the veteran newsman an $8 million advance for the book, according to photocopies of a memo distributed by Mr. Rather. scrappleface.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (70671)	9/15/2004 11:17:55 PM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794253

The only person who I know who reads everything here is me. It ain't easy, but you have a lot of company.

To: LindyBill who wrote (70671)	9/15/2004 11:29:14 PM
From: miraje	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794253

allowed me to post; starting last Thusday morning; the entire sequence of blog events on Rathergate almost "real time" to this thread. I have never posted here before, but I'd just like to let you know you that, in my opinion, you've got a most interesting and informative thread going. I thoroughly enjoy lurking here. Keep up the good work. Appreciatively, JB

To: LindyBill who wrote (70671)	9/16/2004 12:10:32 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 794253

LB....There are always dooers, and followers....or proactive, and reactive....or dooers and complainers, etc. Looks like it's the way of the world these days. IMO, all of us that follow this thread are so much better informed than those who don't. And a very good part of the reason is all the energy you and others put into finding interesting material for us to think about, analyze, and/or gasp about. I'm sure there are many lurkers, looking at the folks who post, and the number of bookmarks. Hopefully, more and more people will want to contribute articles, info and just plain opinions more often. People know that we get as much out of something as we put into it.... Anyhow, thank you .... This CBS thing isn't done yet. It is interesting to me that Rather and CBS Management continue to tell us to pay attention to "the message" even if the "papers aren't correct"...... Why.......the ..pj clad bloggers and the internet community keyboarders could have made up an imaginary mess somewhat like the current one, then made a huge mountain out of this fog, and when CBS got huffy about the fog, we could have told CBS to pay attention to "the message", and to forget about the ommisions, the not quite truths, but just to pay attention to "THE MESSAGE." Someday, the MSM will finally understand the message. Some are beginning to already.

To: LindyBill who wrote (70671)	9/16/2004 4:06:24 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794253

Did we get excited and congratulatory about it? Damn straight we did! The toppling of "The Evil Empire" of CBS news by the "gutty little bloggers" was a sight to behold. I doubt if we will see it's like again. Apparently we have no disagreement on the facts of the matter. That's the way I called it. The only person who I know who reads everything here is me. I used to. Until the Swiftvet and Rather affairs made the thread volume go bonkers. I think that thread participants have a responsibility to either keep up or keep out of the way so I kept up. This morning I found more than three hundred posts awaiting. That's beyond my limit. I was going to let this go, but you have made several comments along this line today that are sticking in my craw. I never intended to make an issue of it. I made a couple of playful pricks in the general direction of your bubble over the last week or so and that was it. It would have stayed dormant had I gotten a simple answer to my simple "which documents" question. I respond to every request for clarification of my comments as straightforwardly as possible. I think that's simple courtesy. It is also my practice to straighten out any incorrect assertions about what I said or what I think. It was in the course of the latter that you got your crawful. I regret that result. I would not been so outspoken about it otherwise. Otherwise, you will have to change your handle from "kholt" to "wetblanket." :>) I acknowledge my propensity to yank the chains of wretched excess when it becomes, well, excessive. You use of the term, wet blanket, and your earlier use of the word, fun, remind me of something that happened to me not long ago. I was confronted by a neighbor out front who mistakenly thought it was I who had complained about his neighbors' parties. His neighbors had been holding parties up to several times a week. Participants gathered around the fireplace in their courtyard laughing and yelling and singing at the top of their lungs with an electric guitar well into the early hours of the morning. I couldn't sleep and I'm sure at least a hundred of my neighbors couldn't either. When the neighbor confronted me, his argument was how much "fun" those parties were and what a "wet blanket" I was for complaining. My counter included the characterization of the party-givers with the expression, raised by wolves. Obviously we had different perceptions of the practice. Besides being the only two usages of "wet blanket" in recent memory, the stories have in common their ability to illustrate what happens to people's sense of proportion when they get caught up in something.