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To: Joe NYC who wrote (202592)9/17/2004 12:47:06 AM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574483
 
Buoyed by polls, Bush shows new confidence
By Judy Keen, USA TODAY

ROCHESTER, Minn. — In the unpredictable world of politics, leads in the polls and candidates' confidence can evaporate in an instant. But President Bush and his campaign advisers are feeling pretty good these days about his chances.

During a bus tour of Minnesota on Thursday, Bush exuded self-assurance. At a roundtable discussion on health care at a sports arena in Blaine, he prowled the stage with the sleeves of his blue shirt rolled up and a grin on his face.

At a rally in a baseball stadium in St. Cloud, he told the crowd, "I want to win. And I know we are going to win."

That's not just happy talk. A Gallup Poll released Thursday showed that Bush's confidence might be justified. Among likely voters, he has extended his lead over Sen. John Kerry to 13 percentage points. Bush's support grew despite Kerry's new strategy of aggressively challenging his economic record and the war in Iraq, and despite renewed media focus on Bush's military service during the Vietnam War. (Related item:Bush leads in new poll | Poll results

But a Pew Research Center Poll also out Thursday showed that the race is tied. Bush advisers believe he has established a 4- or 5-percentage-point lead nationally.

More important to the Bush campaign and the outcome of the election are recent polls in key states. Bush advisers say USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Polls this week showing Bush ahead in Wisconsin and tied in this state, which hasn't been won by a Republican presidential candidate since Richard Nixon in 1972, are signs that Bush is making inroads in states Kerry needs to win the election.

At the same time, Bush aides believe that he is ending Kerry's hopes of competing in several states Bush won in 2000: Arkansas, Louisiana, North Carolina, Virginia, Arizona and Missouri.

The Bush team thinks it may even be able to make a run at Kerry in such traditionally Democratic territory as New Jersey, where first lady Laura Bush campaigned Thursday, and Illinois, which Vice President Cheney visits Saturday.


Bush aides are mindful of the volatility documented in the two conflicting national polls. Some of them worry that confidence can evolve into dangerous cockiness or invite bad luck. So they aren't crowing much in public. "This race is never going to be safe," said Matthew Dowd, the campaign's chief strategist. But he added that Bush seems to have momentum now.

Back in Washington, though, some campaign aides are talking to friends about the jobs they want after the election. And some are already talking about strategy for the congressional elections in 2006. Presidents' parties usually lose ground in such midterm elections.

Brad Coker, who works for the non-partisan Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, said that sort of musing is a dangerous sign. "If they get too cocky, they could get themselves into trouble," he said. "They need to resist the temptation to start celebrating early."

Bush isn't celebrating, but he's reveling in his daily interactions with voters — even though the people who attend his campaign rallies are supporters who must have tickets. "I like to get out amongst the people and tell them where I stand, what I believe," he said at another baseball park here.

When he uses a lectern, he grips its sides with both hands, leaning forward to emphasize his comments. When he roams a stage with a handheld microphone, he pivots to make eye contact with people on all sides. He's disarming and charming. Coaxing participants in a panel on health care in Blaine, Bush said, "Ready to crank it up? All right, let's go."

After panelist Jerry Markie, 71, explained that he's saving $4,200 a year by using a Medicare discount card for prescriptions, Bush asked him, "You can use that, can't you?"

"You betcha," Markie said.

"Take mom out to dinner more frequently," Bush advised.

"More than once," Markie said.

Bush was peppy when he popped into the Brick House Deli in Anoka, mugged for cameras with owner Angel Howell's 8-month-old daughter, Kate Lynn, and ordered an egg salad sandwich. "Fire one up," he said. He settled for chicken salad when he was told egg salad wasn't on the menu.

"You can see confidence in Bush's face," says Republican strategist Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's presidential campaign in 1996. "So much of the mood of a campaign is set by the candidate."

Nevertheless, the Bush-Cheney team's optimism may be tempered by memories of what happened four years ago. Two days before that election, political adviser Karl Rove predicted that Bush would defeat Democrat Al Gore in a landslide with 320 Electoral College votes. It didn't quite work out that way.

usatoday.com



To: Joe NYC who wrote (202592)9/17/2004 3:50:40 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574483
 
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"Common sense would say that the majority of the 18 to 25 who do vote would vote for the Democrat. The people who say they want to vote for Bush are generally in the older age brackets, and they don't have as much trouble with the lies told by Bush and his people. The older people also use cell phones much less because they can't hear on the things and when trying to dial a number on these midget instruments they stand there for an hour and get nothing done. The young people on cell phones appear not to be listening and they hear every syllable. They punch out a number without looking.

They are quicker, and probably smarter at this time, and almost doubtlessly more in favor of Kerry than Bush."


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Making call on sham of political polling












September 16, 2004

Anybody who believes these national political polls are giving you facts is a gullible fool.

Any editors of newspapers or television news shows who use poll results as a story are beyond gullible. On behalf of the public they profess to serve, they are indolent salesmen of falsehoods.











This is because these political polls are done by telephone. Land-line telephones, as your house phone is called.

The telephone polls do not include cellular phones. There are almost 169 million cell phones being used in America today - 168,900,019 as of Sept. 15, according to the cell phone institute in Washington.


There is no way to poll cell phone users, so it isn't done.

Not one cell phone user has received a call on their cell phone asking them how they plan to vote as of today.

Out of 168 million, anything can happen. Midway through election night, these stern-faced network announcers suddenly will be frozen white and they have to give a result:

"It appears that the winner of the election tonight is ... Milford J. Schmitt of New Albany, Ind. He presently has 56 percent of the vote, placing him well ahead of John Kerry, George Bush and another newcomer, Gibson D. Mills of Corvallis, Ore. It appears the nation's voting habits have been changed unbeknownst to us. Mr. Schmitt was asked what party he is in. He answered, 'The winning party.'"

Those who have both cell phones and land lines still might have been polled the old way - on their land lines by people making phone calls with scientifically weighted questions and to targeted areas for some big pollster. These results are announced by the pollsters: "CBS-New York Times poll shows George Bush and John Kerry in a statistical dead heat in the presidential race."

Beautiful. There are 169 million phones that they didn't even try. This makes the poll nothing more than a fake and a fraud, a shill and a sham. The big pollster doesn't know what he has. The television and newspaper brilliants put it out like it is a baseball score. Except not one person involved can say that they truly know what they are talking about.

"I don't use telephones anymore because there is no easy way to use them," John Zogby was saying yesterday. It was the 20th anniversary of the start of his polling company. He began with what he calls "blue highway polls," sheriffs' races in Onondaga and Jefferson counties in upstate New York.

"The people who are using telephone surveys are in denial," Zogby was saying. "It is similar to the '30s, when they first started polling by telephones and there were people who laughed at that and said you couldn't trust them because not everybody had a home phone. Now they try not to mention cell phones. They don't look or listen. They go ahead with a method that is old and wrong."


Zogby points out that you don't know in which area code the cell phone user lives. Nor do you know what they do. Beyond that, you miss younger people who live on cell phones. If you do a political poll on land-line phones, you miss those from 18 to 25, and there are figures all over the place that show there are 40 million between the ages of 18 and 29, one in five eligible voters.

And the great page-one presidential polls don't come close to reflecting how these younger voters say they might vote. The majority of them use cell phones and nobody ever asks them anything.

Common sense would say that the majority of the 18 to 25 who do vote would vote for the Democrat. The people who say they want to vote for Bush are generally in the older age brackets, and they don't have as much trouble with the lies told by Bush and his people. The older people also use cell phones much less because they can't hear on the things and when trying to dial a number on these midget instruments they stand there for an hour and get nothing done. The young people on cell phones appear not to be listening and they hear every syllable. They punch out a number without looking.

They are quicker, and probably smarter at this time, and almost doubtlessly more in favor of Kerry than Bush.


Older people complain about Kerry's performance as a candidate. Younger people don't want to get shot at in a war that most believe, and firmly, never should have started because it was started with a president lying.

Zogby has no opinion because he is a professional figure man and he has no figures he trusts.

"I am making a segue into Internet polling, which is going to be the future," he was saying yesterday. "You use screened e-mails of hundreds of thousands. Every household has some chance of being polled. How can you not do it that way? I have three children. The one in Washington uses only a cell phone. The ones at home use cell phones."

If you want a poll on the Kerry-Bush race, sit down and make up your own. It is just as good as the monstrous frauds presented on television and the newspaper first pages.

newsday.com