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To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/18/2004 11:19:15 PM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 793964

<<"Half an hour later, Roberts called "60 Minutes" producer Mary Mapes with word that Bartlett was not challenging the authenticity of the documents. Mapes told her bosses, ">> It looks like Burkett made an ass of Rather and the WH just permitted Rather to do an even better job than Burkett did.

To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/18/2004 11:35:28 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793964

The Talk Shows Sunday, September 19, 2004; Page A04 Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows: FOX NEWS SUNDAY (WTTG), 9 a.m.: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D). THIS WEEK (ABC, WJLA), 9 a.m.: Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and Sens. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) and Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.). MEET THE PRESS (NBC, WRC), 10:30 a.m: Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and former representative John Thune (R-S.D.). FACE THE NATION (CBS, WUSA), 10:30 a.m.: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), Kerry-Edwards campaign senior adviser Richard C. Holbrooke and Sept. 11 commission Vice Chairman Lee H. Hamilton. LATE EDITION (CNN), noon.: Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.); Reps. Christopher Cox (R-Calif.) and Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.); German Ambassador Wolfgang Ischinger; Spanish Ambassador Carlos Westendorp; International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei; Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie; Democratic National Committee Chairman Terence R. McAuliffe; and author Seymour Hersh.

To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/18/2004 11:41:09 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793964

Curiouser and curiouser "This gave us such a sense of security at that moment that we had the story," Howard said. "We gave the documents to the White House to say, 'Wave us off this if we're wrong.' " But Bartlett said CBS never asked him to verify the memos and that he had neither the time nor the resources to do so. What's that old saying about, "never assume"? So, it wasn't the Machiavellian genius of Karl Rove at work! It was Bartlett shrugging his shoulders and throwing up his hands! Too funny. After the show, one colleague asked an elated Rather whether he was sure the documents were real. "I have never been more confident of a story in my life," he said. On the basis of fricking WHAT? Photocopies with no chain of custody from a source that this article still doesn't name, but we almost surely know must be Burkett, an embittered man who'd been trying to flog this story for five years? Oh man oh man. Not only did CBS run this story on nothing because they just "knew" it was true, they even convinced themselves the evidence was rock solid. This one is going into the case books, right next to the case of the pilots who drove a Delta Airlines plane into the ground because they were all fixated on how to change a lightbulb in the cockpit.

To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/19/2004 12:08:08 AM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 793964

As the days begin to blur for Josh Howard, he embraces the same logic: "So much of this debate has focused on the documents, and no one has really challenged the story. It's been frustrating to us to see all this reduced to a debate over little 'th's." I know. It's so awful to worry about something being forged instead of worrying about the thing. I mean, suppose somebody found a new Emily Dickinson poem in her handwriting, and it turned out they had forged it but the forger coudl prove it was consistent with the way she thought. Wouldn't you think folks would ignore the forgery part and celebrate the finding of a new Emily Dickinson poem?

To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/19/2004 12:28:36 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

<<<"I know Dan Rather is right," Marian Carr Knox, a former secretary in Bush's Guard unit, recalled saying. The neighbor said she should do something about it. So she called a Houston newspaper, Knox told CBS, but did not get a call back. Dallas Morning News reporter Pete Slover soon tracked down Knox and showed her copies of the Killian memos. "These are not real," declared Knox, who said she handled Killian's memos. "They're not what I typed, and I would have typed them for him." When a "60 Minutes" staffer showed Howard an online version of the Morning News story Tuesday night, "my initial reaction was not, 'Oh, my God, we're wrong,' " he said. But he immediately recognized that his program had to take her account seriously. CBS got hold of Knox and had her on a plane to New York on Wednesday. Rather started the hour-long interview at 4 p.m., and while Knox said the underlying story was true -- that Killian had made such comments about Lt. Bush -- she insisted the memos were fake. Mapes had three hours to edit the interview for that night's "60 Minutes.">>> To look on the bright side, an 86 year old lady had the time of her life- a pre-paid trip to New York City, the capital of the free world, and an hour long conference with Mr Big himself- Dan Rather. It was a shame her honesty got in the way of being a help, since she had to tell him the letters were fakes. But Dan was able to establish that the gist of the letters was true - that Killian could possibly have written words shown in those memos. However, since Killian did not type, and the secretary did not type the memos then who did? Dan did not ask her if Killian could also have written words from Little Red Riding Hood or Treasure Island, because that would have confused people in his audience with an IQ of less than 68 when Knox answered yes. Sig '

To: LindyBill who wrote (71611)	9/19/2004 3:37:45 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793964

Re tick, tick, tick....Wonder if Rather will ever interview on air all the people who had expressed doubts in the first place....To my knowledge, he has completely forgotten about Killian's son, Killian's widow, Col. Bobby W. Hodges, Killian's superior in the Guard, who was told they had handwritten notes, and that he never saw any typed ones....etc. Will any of these people's story be heard on air? If Dan Rather had a story in his hand saying that Kerry's wife had ongoing affairs with several people at the same time years ago...and that these papers were typewritten, would he go on air with them? Would he continue to say "it's the story, stupid, not the minor problem of possibly forged documents...." The entire thing is asinine as well as ludicrous. CBS News may not recover from this.