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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (71713)	9/19/2004 11:03:45 AM
From: unclewest	Respond to of 793958

Two plus two equals four. Not when you are selling oil for food.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (71713)	9/19/2004 1:19:21 PM
From: Bridge Player	Respond to of 793958

<< But, for the most part I can see the truth eg "Kids (foreign or domestic) are mostly helpless - we must find some way to help them". I can see that and so can a lot of other people. I have absolute faith that if that is the right thing to do, most other people can see it also. To say that we can see what is right, but large numbers of Europeans or any other huge numbers of people can't - well, call me skeptical - if not downright not believing. >> I agree, Mary, about the kids. You've got to feed them, house them, clothe them. Provide a nuturing family environment. Educate them. Encourage them to be the best they can be at whatever they choose to do. And instill virtue and values. The catch comes in the education and the instilling values. What do you teach them? Which values do you promote? Therein lies the essence of the problems that many folks, conservatives if you will, have with the Europeans and their societies. And therein, in large measure, lies the root of the social and political division in the U.S.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (71713)	9/19/2004 1:42:31 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793958

Here's the latest UN blathering while kids and adults die... Sudan: U.N. Ruling Won't Help Stop Crisis Sudan Says U.N. Resolution Threatening Sanctions Will Only Make It Harder to Calm Insurrection The Associated Press abcnews.go.com KHARTOUM, Sudan Sept. 19, 2004 — A U.S.-backed United Nations resolution threatening oil sanctions for the violence in Sudan's Darfur region will only make it harder for the government to calm the insurrection there, a Sudanese official said Sunday. Despite his criticism, the foreign ministry official, Mutrif Sideeq, said his government would try to comply with the resolution meant to force Khartoum to rein in ethnic Arab militias accused of killing ethnic African villagers and creating an even deadlier humanitarian crisis. The government is accused of backing the Arab militia as a strategy against the rebels, who have their base among Darfur's African tribespeople. "We in the government will go ahead in trying to bring the situation to normal in Darfur, regardless of what is being said about pressure being applied on the government," Sideeq told state-run radio Omdurman. But "we think the resolution was faulty and sends a wrong message to the rebels," said Sideeq, a Foreign Ministry undersecretary. Even before the resolution was passed, Sudanese officials had complained that they believed the U.S. position was encouraging rebels to take a hard line at peace talks. The talks broke down last week, but the Nigerian hosts and mediators held out the prospect that delegates could return to the table, possibly in October. The conflict began when the two Darfur rebel groups rose up in February 2003, accusing the Arab-dominated government in Khartoum of neglect and discrimination. Since then, according to U.N. estimates, over 1.2 million people have fled their homes to escape the violence and more than 50,000 have died. Most of the deaths are linked to disease or malnutrition in crowded, filthy camps for the displaced. In an 11-0 vote Saturday with four abstentions China, Russia, Pakistan and Algeria the Security Council said it would meet again to consider sanctions against Sudan's petroleum sector or other punitive measures if the government doesn't act quickly to stop the violence and bring the perpetrators to justice. The resolution also authorizes U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to appoint a commission to investigate reports of human rights violations in Darfur and determine "whether or not acts of genocide have occurred," as the United States and others have charged. Saturday, before the resolution was passed, President Omar el-Bashir said his government was committed to finding a "peaceful settlement to the question of Darfur." He was speaking to reporters after meeting visiting Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, whose country currently chairs the U.N. Security Council. Also Saturday, at a late evening press conference, the government delegation to the peace talks said it was "committed to returning to the negotiating table with the Darfur rebels any time, anywhere ...." Majzoub Khalifa, head of the delegation, said Secretary of State Colin Powell's declaration last week that genocide was occurring in Darfur "resulted in negative atmosphere and pushed the rebels into adopting hard-line positions." The talks had made little progress since they opened Aug. 23. Rebels said the government was seeking concessions that would have led to their annihilation. In the final days, the rebels rejected a practical accord that would have cleared the way for aid agencies' access to refugees, saying provisions already in place allowed humanitarian work and refusing to sign anything before the government pledged to disarm the Janjaweed, as the Arab militia are known. The government, accused in the past of blocking humanitarian work, had said it was ready to sign the humanitarian accord.