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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (72533)	9/22/2004 9:37:21 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793834

>>Gulf War I was a total victory in every way If you negotiate a cease-fire which the other side promptly repudiates afterwards, how is that a "win"? Have we won in Fallujah? Have the Israelis won in Gaza and the West Bank? It is true that the Iraqi military left Kuwait, but otherwise they did not comply with the terms and conditions of the case fire. We spent over a decade just maintaining the status quo through constant armed surveillance and intervention. We bombed Iraqi installations on a daily basis, so much so that nobody even noticed it in the news anymore. I don't recall that ever happening anywhere else in history and being called a win. It was a temporary truce, nothing better than that, and it did not last. >>It was unfortuante what happened to those people in Iraq. It was caused, in large part, by their misplaced trust in the American government. >>We still have to deal with WOT but Iraq should not be on top of the list. AQ and Iran should be. I'll mark you down as a supporter of pre-emption against Iran then, shall I? I suppose you found it incomprehensible that we started the fight against the Nazis in North Africa and then Italy.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (72533)	9/22/2004 2:03:06 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793834

You can not call what Bush I did a mess. He defined the objectives. He got everyone to agree. He executed perfectly - it was clean and sweet. It wasn't clean and sweet. Saddam was supposed to fall after the Gulf War. The Saudis assured us that he would, over and over. But he didn't fall, and he didn't comply with the cease-fire terms. So we got stuck with an ad-hoc containment policy that over time brought ever higher costs and ever lower benefits, and looked likely to fail in the near future as the UNSC worked tirelessly to undermine it.