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To: one_less who wrote (146204)	9/22/2004 5:33:27 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Re: lies. Ask Larry Lindsey what happens to people in this administration when they tell the truth -- they get fired. Ask Rusmfeld, Rice and Cheney what happens when they tell extremely tall tales and turn out to be completely wrong both in substance and in emphasis -- the answer? Nothing happens to them because this Administration favors the misrepresentation of flaky assertions that support ideological bias as if they are facts, and sweeps facts under the carpet. What were the estimates of what the war would cost? Lindsey was stupid enough to speak the truth. What was the quality and quantity of our intel? Anybody who spoke the truth was muzzled and/or ignored. Ask people at senior levels of the military if their views were considered in the deciding on how and when to invade Iraq. Answer? They were ignored. You can say that all the things that have gone on in Iraq are a "big surprise" but that is not true. When you have an Adminstration that will only tolerate the hard-core neocon party line, and will allow even the flimsiest of data to be hyped to the sky and when sober and experienced people are silenced, you have created a climate where dishonesty will thrive and honest people will be pushed out of the process.

To: one_less who wrote (146204)	9/22/2004 10:27:26 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

Accusing someone falsly of being a liar is at the very top of my list of dishonorable conduct. Um. Wasn't a central element in W's last campaign "Al Gore is a Liar"? What was that about? I can't think of much that compares to the masterful "honesty" of W's prewar propaganda crusade. W apparently came into office wanting a war with Iraq, and siezed upon 9/11 the day it happened as just the ticket to get his heart's desire there. If you see something particular honest or honorable in that story, well, you're quite the "objective" Diogenes, in some looking glass sense or other. Of course, now that W got his war, it's all somebody else's fault that it didn't quite turn out the way it was supposed to, but that's another topic. I think it has something to to with the one true Republican meaning of "personal responsibility".