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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (8356)	9/24/2004 12:56:07 PM
From: Rock_nj	Respond to of 20039

1. They don't believe a conspiracy involving so many people could be kept secret. 2. They don't believe that the President of the US could be party to a plot which involves murdering his own subjects. Typical line of thinking. Both points seem rational on the surface, but need further examination by anyone with a critical mind, who really wants to understand how things work. 1. They don't understand how compartmentalization routinely is used in governments like the U.S. to keep too much information from falling into one person's hands, that could easily allow a conspiracy like 9/11/01 to be pulled off. A few, like 4 or 5 people at the top, could be privvy to the information necessary to carry out the conspiracy. The rest of the worker bee federal employees just need to do their jobs as they always do, on a need-to-know compartmentalized basis. They wouldn't question an order from above that seemed odd. It's part of their job to accept working under compartmentalization. They don't question it, so the conspirators have a free hand. If someone doesn't understand this way of doing business, it's no wonder that they couldn't comprehend a conspiracy of this magnitude being carried out by a select few. 2. To answer the second point, they just have to read history. History has taught that leaders consider their subjects expendable for the greater goal. There are plenty of examples in which people were killed by their leaders to further a goal. This sort of human behavior goes back to the times of the Greeks and Romans. Even in the 21st Century we have examples: Reichstag Fire, Pearl Harbor, Viet Nam, Northwoods Operation (not carried out, but shows how our leaders actually think about their subjects). It's not at all hard to extrapolate this sort of behavior to the current U.S. government and the events of 9/11/01. People just have to understand the context, then it won't seem so unbelievable. It does seem unbelievable at first, but history has proven it has been done in the past.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (8356)	9/24/2004 12:56:07 PM
From: Rock_nj	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

1. They don't believe a conspiracy involving so many people could be kept secret. 2. They don't believe that the President of the US could be party to a plot which involves murdering his own subjects. Typical line of thinking. Both points seem rational on the surface, but need further examination by anyone with a critical mind, who really wants to understand how things work. 1. They don't understand how compartmentalization routinely is used in governments like the U.S. to keep too much information from falling into one person's hands, that could easily allow a conspiracy like 9/11/01 to be pulled off. A few, like 4 or 5 people at the top, could be privvy to the information necessary to carry out the conspiracy. The rest of the worker bee federal employees just need to do their jobs as they always do, on a need-to-know compartmentalized basis. They wouldn't question an order from above that seemed odd. It's part of their job to accept working under compartmentalization. They don't question it, so the conspirators have a free hand. If someone doesn't understand this way of doing business, it's no wonder that they couldn't comprehend a conspiracy of this magnitude being carried out by a select few. 2. To answer the second point, they just have to read history. History has taught that leaders consider their subjects expendable for the greater goal. There are plenty of examples in which people were killed by their leaders to further a goal. This sort of human behavior goes back to the times of the Greeks and Romans. Even in the 21st Century we have examples: Reichstag Fire, Pearl Harbor, Viet Nam, Northwoods Operation (not carried out, but shows how our leaders actually think about their subjects). It's not at all hard to extrapolate this sort of behavior to the current U.S. government and the events of 9/11/01. People just have to understand the context, then it won't seem so unbelievable. It does seem unbelievable at first, but history has proven it has been done in the past.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (8356)	9/26/2004 2:01:23 PM
From: Don Earl	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20039

<<<They don't believe a conspiracy involving so many people could be kept secret.>>> Actually, it hasn't been kept secret, otherwise it wouldn't be possible for so many of us to know about it. What people can't accept is they have been fooled on such a grand scale. At a certain point, it's far more comfortable for them to stay fooled than it is to admit something very terrible happened, especially if it's something terrible enough that something has to be done about it. <<<They don't believe that the President of the US could be party to a plot which involves murdering his own subjects.>>> A Republican friend of mine made a similar comment. I pointed out a few items such as the number of persons with knowledge of the Kennedy assassination who died violently shortly after Kennedy was killed, things like Project Northwoods and MK Ultra, evidence that shows Pearl Harbor was an intentional military stand down by FDR, etc.. The funny part is a lot of those items were things he had looked into and was aware of. What it comes down to is about the same as above. People would rather believe a fantasy than accept the fact that something is very wrong. I think the real issue is there is a great deal of unjustified faith in the media. Most people are completely unaware of just how concentrated media ownership is. They turn on their local TV station and see a story. Their favorite cable channel repeats the same story, as does their favorite radio station and the tabloid that shows up by the front door each morning. They have absolutely no idea that in many cases all of those sources of information are controlled by the same company. Additionally, most folks have no idea of the degree to which government agents have been liberally sprinkled throughout the entire media network. I've also run across things here and there which strongly suggest the media is using more than a few mind control tactics. That sounds like black helicopter stuff, but some of the techniques are decades old and have been used in the past. Such as one frame showing popcorn in the middle of a movie at a theater. In one CNN clip of the first plane, there is a single frame with a black sillouet of a plane superimposed on the building. In another clip I looked at, that was a amateur video of the aftermath of the attacks, all of the traffic lights were dubbed in red and the soundtrack was loaded up with 14 cycle notes. CNN especially, likes to use streamers across the bottom of the screen with messages that get soaked up along with the pictures being shown. In the final analysis, a person almost has to wonder if there would actually be a market for news that told the truth. Not that it would be possible to get a license for such a brand of media, but one wonders if anyone would watch it even if it were