To: Peter Dierks who wrote (634258 ) 9/28/2004 1:16:50 PM From: Kevin Rose Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 I agree with a number of your points (the divisive political posturing of the different groups with their own agendas, the egos of occupation, the need to defeat foreign fighters or at least prevent them from operating in Iraq), but disagree with the following: 1) According to Bush (in an interview with the independent Bill O'Reilly) Alawali said that after a police or military recruiting or training site is terrorized, more recruits show up the next day. It says a lot about the resolve of the Iraqi people. They want a Westernized democracy. Is this an indication of some overwhelming desire by these recruits for democracy, or a sign of their desperation in a country where the unemployment is around 70%? What would you be willing to do if you had to feed your family and there was no work? 2) What we did in Vietname according to the Vietnamese was encorage the North Vienamese who were on the verge of collapse and surrender to keep on going. They took heart from people like Clinton and Kerry. The Vietnamese had been fighting occupations for centuries. They had it down to a science, with a population that was willing to take any amount of pain and suffering to win. If they were on the "verge of collapse", they had been on the same verge for a thousand years, according to the Chinese, Mongols, French, Americans...Now explain to me why I wasted my time on a person who would say, "I believe Bush's postwar neocon plan screwed up the country so badly that the Iraqis didn't get it, thought we were screwing with them deliberately, and now see us as the problem." Read this and you'll at least see why I made that point:informationclearinghouse.info