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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 8:18:21 AM
From: Selectric II  Respond to of 89467
 
Kerry's Unlikely Detractors
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Dated: Saturday, September 25 2004 @ 09:00 AM PDT
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-- by Colbert I. King
Those who dismiss critics of John Kerry's Vietnam service as just a bunch of right-wing Republicans out to advance George W. Bush's cause don't know what they are talking about -- or they are engaged in wishful thinking. Okay, I may have once thought that about the critics, too. But after poring over the large volume of e-mail I received after my Aug. 28 column, "What Matters About Kerry and Vietnam," I don't any longer.

I had taken to task the authors of the blistering anti-Kerry bestseller "Unfit for Command" for giving readers an unbalanced view of Kerry's service in Vietnam, and for not revealing their own connections with the Bush campaign and the sources of their financial support. The column also criticized "Unfit for Command" for smearing Kerry, a decorated former naval officer, as disloyal because of his antiwar activities. Writing as a former Army officer, I concluded: "Speaking for myself, it is enough that he served."

A number of readers agreed with that conclusion. Many more, however, most of them angry veterans, did not. Most striking was the fact that those who identified themselves seemed to span the political spectrum, with one even describing himself as a Howard Dean Democrat.

Two weeks later, another e-mail arrived on the same topic. It was from a Howard University classmate, a friend of 47 years, former assistant secretary of the Air Force Rodney Coleman. A Democrat, Coleman has local roots, having worked for the D.C. Council and later the Pennsylvania Avenue Development Corp.

Bill Clinton appointed Coleman to the Pentagon post, in which he served from 1994 to 1998. Somehow, despite our running into each other over the years at various social occasions, Vietnam was never a serious topic of conversation between us. Until now.

Coleman, who served in Vietnam for 13 months in 1971-72, wrote that he found disheartening the protracted mudslinging between Bush and Kerry and their respective camps about military records. But the favorable conclusion I drew about Kerry's service was, he stated, "with all due respect, not mine!"

"Some of those 58,000 who died [in Vietnam] were at DaNang with me, and some were under my command, in the 366th Air Force engineering squadron," Coleman wrote.

Then he got to the heart of the matter.

"I vividly recall Kerry's antiwar testimony in April 1971. I was a White House fellow at the time, on a leave of absence from active duty, as were five of the 17 fellows selected. Two of them had Vietnam experience with Silver and Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts awarded for their heroism. In early April 1971, I volunteered to go to Vietnam after my year as a White House fellow. I could have very easily taken steps to forgo a tour in 'Nam, but as an Air Force captain committed to the ideals of the oath of office I took, Vietnam was the only game in town."

The oath of office was a serious matter for products of Howard's ROTC programs. I know. I was commissioned in the Army; Coleman joined the Air Force. Unlike some college campuses, Howard's ROTC programs were a source of pride, having produced, according to the school, more African American general officers than any other university in the country.

"When Kerry made those critical statements of the war," Coleman wrote, "my parents, God bless them, went ballistic about their son going in harm's way. My military colleagues in the fellows program who had been there and were shot up were incensed that a so-called military man would engage in such insubordinate actions. At the time Kerry made those unfortunate remarks, America had POWs and MIAs, among them my friend, Colonel Fred Cherry, the longest-held black POW of the Vietnam War. How could a true American fighting man throw away his medals, while thousands he fought alongside of were in the midst of another example of man's inhumanity to man?"

I spoke with Coleman this week about citing his e-mail in a column. He agreed, adding that he was still wrestling with his Election Day decision. His final written words are worth remembering, especially by those in the Kerry high command.

"I served my 13 months in combat. Returned in 1972 with the Bronze Star and the Vietnamese Technical Services Honor Medal to a very anti-Vietnam America. [Harry] "Butch" Robinson, Denny [Dennis] Hightower, and many more that you know did the same. We endured the pain of separation from our loved ones, were frightened when the rockets came in to camp and lives were lost. But we were never unfit for command.

"Kerry still hasn't satisfied me and many others. . . . It's September and I'm still conflicted. Speaking for myself, it is NOT enough that he served!" Those aren't the thoughts of a Republican-funded, right-wing, over-the-top Swift boat veteran. Ignore them, Kerry camp, at your peril.

This article was published by The Washington Post.

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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 8:21:22 AM
From: Selectric II  Respond to of 89467
 
Kerry's Vietnam-related acts are telling
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Dated: Monday, September 27 2004 @ 09:00 AM PDT
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-- by Chuck Green
The principal debate between George W. Bush and John F. Kerry, as framed primarily by Kerry at the Democratic National Convention, is about who best can be America's commander-in-chief.

Only one man has a record to run on -- George Bush. John Kerry has never been the commander-in-chief.

Kerry's best argument that he would make the superior commander-in-chief is based on his four-month tour of duty in Vietnam in the late 1960s -- a remarkably brief tour when most servicemen didn't rotate home until serving at least a year "in country."

As most Americans now know -- or certainly should know if they are paying attention -- Kerry requested release from his duty in Vietnam under a provision that allows disengagement for anyone who has accumulated three Purple Hearts.

Kerry qualified because he had three, even though all three were for minor wounds -- including one compared to the prick of a rose thorn -- that didn't require more than an hour or two of medical attention combined.

Nevertheless, his record qualified him for release from duty in Vietnam, and he took advantage of the situation.

Thousands of servicemen serving in Vietnam sustained injuries more serious than Kerry's and refused to accept Purple Hearts because they didn't consider their sacrifices to be worthy of that special recognition. The total truth about what happened to Kerry during his Swift boat service probably never will be known. A few witnesses say he was heroic and deserved his medals. Others, who were involved in the same missions and only yards away from Kerry's boat, say his "heroic" war status is undeserved.

But that's not the only measure of who can best serve as commander-in-chief. Kerry has a long record of votes on military issues in the United States, and it compares unfavorably with Bush's three-year record as the actual commander-in-chief -- under fire.

The confusion over Kerry's service in Vietnam is not in itself the basis to judge his fitness for command in the White House. But it is an important piece of the puzzle, and the fact that it is clouded is relevant.

His unwarranted attack on the integrity of his comrades after returning from Vietnam, his years of votes in Congress, and his recent statements about policies toward Iraq help complete the picture.

By comparison, Bush's record -- as our real commander-in-chief -- stands in sharp and distinguished contrast.

This article was published by The Duluth News-Tribune.

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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 8:32:27 AM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Funny Quotes from Famous People
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law."
--David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusations that he failed topay his taxes.
"They gave me a book of checks. They didn't ask for any deposits."
--Congressman Joe Early (D-Mass) at a press conference to answer questions about the House Bank scandal.

"He didn't say that. He was reading what was given to him in a speech."
--Richard Darman, director of OMB, explaining why President Bush wasn't following up on his campaign pledge that there would be no loss of wetlands.

"It depends on your definition of asleep. They were not stretched out. They had their eyes closed. They were seated at their desks with their heads in a nodding position."
-- John Hogan, Common-wealth Edison Supervisor of News Information, responding to a charge by a Nuclear Regulatory Commission inspector that two Dresden Nuclear Plant operators were sleeping on the job.

"I didn't accept it. I received it."
-- Richard Allen, National Security Advisor to President Reagan, explaining the $1000 in cash and two watches hewas given by two Japanese journalists after he helped arrange a private interview for them with First Lady Nancy Reagan.

"I was a pilot flying an airplane and it just so happened that where I was flying made what I was doing spying."
-- Francis Gary Powers, U-2 reconnaissance pilot held by the Soviets for spying, in an interview after hewas returned to the US.

"I was under medication when I made the decision not to burn the tapes."
--President Richard Nixon

"I support efforts to limit the terms of members of Congress, especially members of the House and members of the Senate."
-- Vice-President Dan Quayle

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
-- Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C.

"Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of something else anyway."
-- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide review board, on chlordane.

"Beginning in February 1976 your assistance benefits will be discontinued... Reason: it has been reported to our office that you expired on January 1, 1976."
-- Letter from the Illinois Department of Public Aid.

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history...this century's history.... We all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."
--Dan Quayle, then Indiana senator and Republican vice-presidential candidate during a news conference in which he was asked his opinion of the Holocaust.

"In the early sixties, we were strong, we were virulent..." -- John Connally, Secretary of Treasury under Richard Nixon, in an early 70s speech, as reported in a contemporary "American Scholar."

"The streets are safe in Philadelphia. It's only the people who make them unsafe."
-- Frank Rizzo, ex-police chief and mayor of Philadelphia

"I've always thought that underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted."
-- Lawrence Summers, chief economist of the World Bank, explaining why we should export toxic wastes to Third World countries.

"The crime bill passed by the Senate would reinstate the Federal death penalty for certain violent crimes: assassinating the President; hijacking an airliner; and murdering a government poultry inspector." -- Knight-Ridder News Service dispatch.

"After finding no qualified candidates for the position of principal, the school board is extremely pleased to announce the appointment of David Steele to the post."
-- Philip Streifer, Superintendent of Schools, Barrington, Rhode Island.



To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 9:57:53 AM
From: mistermj  Respond to of 89467
 
The swiftboats ran the rivers in "packs" together.Coordinating attacks and defenses together. You didn't need to be on Kerry's boat to be intimately aware of his performance of duties.



To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 10:04:07 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
My uncle (a retired Opthamologist) served in VietNam...He has been a lifelong Republican and feels his party has been hijacked by radical right wing extremists...My uncle says that Bush is the most reckless president he has seen in his lifetime (he's over 66 years old)...He is VERY concerned about the Iraq Quagmire, the nation's runaway deficit, and the lack of effective protection of our environment...Mr. Bush and Karl Rove have let him down big time...He is so frustrated with Bush's incompetence that he has given money to Kerry and is actively supporting him in 2004.

-s2



To: T L Comiskey who wrote (57746)9/30/2004 10:10:48 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Will our elections turn out like India's elections...?

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