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To: JBTFD who wrote (17988)	9/30/2004 10:32:20 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I don't wanna bet nothing. It was just a forward looking statement with a positive highlight on the George Bush side. It was taken to an extreme to indicate to you that I am pro-Bush and think he will do very well. Kerry, in contrast, (and boy isn't he full of contrasting colors lately!) will wish he never stepped on stage.

To: JBTFD who wrote (17988)	9/30/2004 12:18:09 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

"The problem with polls is you can ask the question in ways that evoke different answers... There was a large difference between the question of war with UN approval and war without UN approval." What DIDN'T you understand about Gallup's 2:1 margin supporting the war before it started and after the failure to get UN approval? What didn't you understand about the NY Times' and CBS's finding, in the midst of negotiations at the UN, that 55% of Americans supported going to war without UN approval? To say otherwise is revisionist history. Revisionist history, Mark, is trying to shove documented proof down the memory hole and substituting the "reality" that you prefer. I have no doubt that you believe what you claim IS reality, but you lack any objective proof - you have only your recollections. So you simply assert your memories or beliefs AS facts and dismiss all objective evidence as irrelevant (or even fabricated). As Orwell put it, "those who rewrite history do probably believe with part of their minds that they are actually thrusting facts into the past." And further, "since nothing is ever quite proved or disproved, the most unmistakable fact can be impudently denied." You are not yet to the level of a few others here in your mastery of the impudent denial, of "indifference to reality" to borrow from Orwell again, but you're on track.