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To: unclewest who wrote (74119)	9/30/2004 10:33:34 PM
From: Captain Jack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

Agree - GW closed professionally. I wish he would have squashed him like a bug though.

To: unclewest who wrote (74119)	9/30/2004 10:52:04 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

<<Now I'll look forward to everyone else's remarks.>> You do? well, OK then Kerry lost most of the deep orange color. When asked what his plan was for Iraq it was 6 months of something and no plans after that. But we need lots more troops and money for something. Bush done good. Sig

To: unclewest who wrote (74119)	10/1/2004 12:46:34 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

I think that for those who don't know details about the issues probably thought Kerry did pretty well. Kerry held his own, spoke with conviction & was well prepared. Many in this crowd won't understand that Kerry has a flexible, quite nuanced version of reality. IMO, that's a real plus for Kerry because it gives him wide latitude on any issue & he delivered each of them with real conviction. Many others will also think Bush did well, stayed on point & spoke with conviction. He beat home "it's hard work" too much IMO. At one point I said, 'I get it already!' Bush was initially effective asking "what message does it send" RE: Kerry's flip-flops, denigrating the Coalition in Iraq & "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time". That exposed Kerry's real weakness to qualify as CIC, but Bush may have beat on those points a bit too much. I think this crowd will be fairly evenly divided, perhaps giving a small edge to Kerry tonight (perhaps a larger edge as time passes with help from the liberal MSM). For PfP junkies & other like minded people, there's plenty to pick at with Kerry's performance. Kerry supporters share in his version of reality, so his generously nuanced quips were seen as gotcha's & telling it like it is. Flip flops, etc., are a non-issue to them, so they will see no damage done there by Bush. IMO, Revisionist history is reality for many Kerry fans, who will gleefully claim Kerry won hands down. Conservatives in this group probably had their blood pressure go up several times with Kerry's prevarications, misrepresentations & half truths. They should be pleased overall with Bush's performance, staying on point & having a clear, consistent message. Some, like me, will have mild concerns that Kerry's BS was convincing. I think internet political junkies will see almost no movement in support. I think you will see Kerry fans energized because it was not an obvious Bush win, so they will spin, spin, spin about a big Kerry win. BWTHDIK? P.S. As I wrote this, I switcehed TV channels. Liberals are doing what we heard they'd do. Most are spinning hard that Kerry won big. No big surprise there.

To: unclewest who wrote (74119)	10/1/2004 8:51:53 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 793955

I could tell that Bush was listening to a voice in his hear - I assume it was a metaphorical voice - maybe the voice of Karen Hughes - "Don't try to be smart! Don't get cute! Stay on message!" (I have a little voice like that but don't always listen.) (And yes, I do talk to myself!) They were playing to two separate audiences. Kerry played to the moderator and Bush played to the camera. That kind of said it all for me. But Kerry's not dumb, either he thinks that works for him, or he will learn.

To: unclewest who wrote (74119)	10/1/2004 9:08:40 AM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 793955

<<"President Bush spoke clearly and from the heart last night about the path forward - toward victory and security - in the War on Terror. The President spoke candidly about the difficulties facing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as these countries prepare for their first free elections. The terrorists will continue to fight these steps toward freedom because they fear the optimism and hope of democracy. They fear the prospects for their ideology of hate in a free and democratic Middle East. President Bush detailed a path forward in the War on Terror - a plan that will ensure that America fights the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan - not in America's cities. John Kerry failed the one test he had to pass last night: he failed to close the credibility gap he has with the American people as his record of troubling contradiction and vacillation spiraled down to incoherence. People have a clear choice between President Bush's clarity and strength to fight and win the War on Terror and John Kerry's attacks and reversals - born out of political calculation, not a vision for winning the War on Terror. People saw for themselves last night where John Kerry would lead our military, our allies and the world in the War on Terror - down a bumpy road paved with indecision, vacillation and cynicism. John Kerry has a record of wavering in the face of real challenges. Truth and optimism are not competing ideals. The War on Terror is difficult - there will be good days and bad days, but the war is essential to our safety at home and victory is the only option.">>