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To: LindyBill who wrote (74233)10/1/2004 10:23:31 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794396
 
Good move - I'm hearing that the Democrats are making one with nothing but George Bush's facial expressions ...

Washington Papers Agree: Debate A Draw
Captain Ed

It's not too often that one finds editorial agreement between the two DC papers, the Post and the Times, but both papers called last night's debate a draw. The Post gives its analysis in its unsigned editorial:

The center of the debate was Iraq, though the candidates differed more on past actions than on future plans. Mr. Bush stoutly defended his decision to go to war and its results; Mr. Kerry forcefully criticized that decision and the war's management and offered himself as a more competent commander in chief. But Mr. Kerry had a more complicated position to defend, and it showed at times. He called the war a mistake and a diversion, but later said that American soldiers were not dying for a mistake. He implied that money being spent in Iraq could be better spent on prescription drugs for seniors, but insisted, "I'm not talking about leaving. I'm talking about winning." ...
In the end the candidates drew sharply distinct portraits of themselves and each other. Mr. Bush stressed his own resoluteness, which Mr. Kerry suggested included a dangerous tendency to be divorced from reality. Mr. Kerry stressed his commitment to alliances and patient leadership, which Mr. Bush suggested could mean weakness. Both performed credibly enough to keep voters tuned in for the next debate.

The Times uses an analysis by James G. Lakely to reach much the same conclusion, but in greater depth:

President Bush and Sen. John Kerry essentially stuck to their scripts, landed few significant blows and fought to a draw in last night's opening presidential debate, political strategists from both parties said.
The strategists said the outcome probably will give a minor boost to Mr. Kerry who has been flagging in recent polls, but also will buffet Mr. Bush's reputation for steadfastness that has been credited with swaying undecided voters to his camp.

"I think both have done well," said Republican political consultant Frank Donatelli. "Both were well-prepared and had good command of the facts. Most people's views probably won't be changed by this debate. Partisans will find plenty of reasons for reinforcement for their present biases."

Democratic political consultant Scott Segal said that Mr. Kerry lived up to his reputation as "a very good debater" and that Mr. Bush held his own.

I think there were enough highlights for each candidate to make a couple of political commercials, although I'm hearing that the Democrats are making one with nothing but George Bush's facial expressions ... as if they haven't tried belittling Bush enough in this electoral cycle. Republicans will certainly make one from the "global test" remark that John Kerry must wish he'd skipped:

A Democratic consultant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the president "turned in a pretty solid performance."
"I think that loyal Democrats were hoping the president's head would fall off during the debate," he said.

Mr. Bush came across as "calm, folksy and grounded," but that each man got "a little testy" once they started to hurl some of their campaign stump-speech accusations at each other, Republican political consultant Bob Moran said.

"Bush missed some opportunities, but that misses the point," Mr. Moran said. "Kerry made the biggest stumble tonight by citing a 'global test' for pre-emptive military action to protect America."

Hugh Hewitt called that point the "game, set, match" of the debate. The answer came near the end in response to Jim Lehrer's question about pre-emption, and this is what Kerry said:

KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control.
No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America.

But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you‘re doing what you‘re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons. ...

BUSH: Let me—I‘m not exactly sure what you mean, “passes the global test,” you take preemptive action if you pass a global test.

My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure.

While I think this was one of Bush's better points, I think he was far more effective in deriding Kerry's insistence that he could build better alliances while denigrating the allies we already have as "coerced and bribed" and could get greater international cooperation in Iraq while calling it "the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time." Kerry answered neither of those challenges, nor could he, and I would suggest that Bush keep playing on that, post-debate.

I still believe this debate was an effective draw, and that Kerry might at best pick up two points. That's not good enough for a candidate who has a six- to eight-point gap. It could help him hang on in Minnesota -- maybe -- but he hardly won Wisconsin back. He needed Bush's head to fall off, as the Democratic consultant said, and it didn't happen.



To: LindyBill who wrote (74233)10/1/2004 3:02:36 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 794396
 
World Take on U.S. Presidential Debate: First Round to Kerry

By Thomas Wagner Associated Press Writer
Published: Oct 1, 2004

ap.tbo.com



LONDON (AP) - Sen. John Kerry scored points against President Bush on the Iraq war during their televised debate, but both men avoided the kind of gaffe that could be a turning point in the presidential election, international analysts and media said Friday.
Whatever the early verdicts were, one thing was clear: the debate attracted a lot of viewers overseas. In Europe, many people had to stay up past 4 a.m. to see the whole debate, and it was not even shown in some Asian countries until Friday morning.

In France and Germany, which opposed the Iraq war, Kerry's promise of a multilateral U.S. foreign policy was welcomed.

Germans could not help noticing that Kerry's stand on the Iraq war and his opposition to unilateral attacks is closer to Berlin's stance, Gernot Erler, a senior lawmaker with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats, told n-tv television.

In France, results of a pre-debate poll said nearly 90 percent of French favor Kerry, and one analyst said the reasons why are obvious.

"We are in a logic of 'Anything but Bush,'" Andre Kaspi, an expert on the United States at Paris' Sorbonne University, told the daily newspaper La Croix.

"There is no doubt that international support for the United States has fallen a lot in the last four years - in France particularly, but this is a global trend and it is also very strong in the Arab world."

During the debate, Kerry accused Bush of leaving U.S. alliances around the world "in shatters" and said that as president he would try to win more international support for the war.

In Russia, Italy and Sweden, media Web sites declared Bush's Democratic challenger the winner in the debate, but some said that may not be enough for a comeback in the polls.

"It wasn't a knockout victory, but Bush was groggy afterward," analyst Wolfgang Hansson told Sweden's leading tabloid, Aftonbladet.

Kerry "won more points," said Stephan Strothe, a commentator on Germany's N24 news channel.

"Kerry seemed to show that he had the stuff to be president. He had more facts in his head, and he was able to explain his position in Iraq," Strothe said. "He is back in the race."

London's Financial Times portrayed it as more of a draw, but one that did not seem to immediately benefit Bush.

"There was no single moment which sealed the debate for one man," correspondent James Harding wrote on the paper's Web site.

Citing early polls, he said Bush failed to put Kerry away.

Kerry claimed during the debate that Americans have been left with an "incredible mess in Iraq."

Bush said Kerry's varying positions about the war have left American troops wondering how they could follow him as their president.

Kerry also questioned Bush's handling of North Korea and Iran, two countries suspected of pursuing nuclear weapons programs.

In addition, the two presidential candidates debated the situation in Russia, with Kerry saying President Vladimir Putin's crackdowns during the war on terror have been excessive.

In South Korea, analysts said the debate showed that Bush and Kerry both favor a tough stand against North Korea's nuclear weapons program. Experts in Seoul said the debate indicated neither would have much patience for delays by North Korea in dismantling its nuclear facilities.

Still, Iraq dominated the debate, and many see that as the election's turning point issue.

Christian Hacke, a political science professor at the University of Bonn, Germany, said observers must remember that opposition to the Iraq war is much stronger in Europe than in the United States.

"Many Europeans forget that there is a war climate in the U.S., and that emotion can be more important than reason," Hacke said.

"So while Kerry may have convinced the world, he may not have convinced the U.S., because words like 'determined' and 'steadfast' used by Bush play on the emotions of many Americans in this war climate."

Reporting from the debate site in Florida, the British Broadcasting Corp. headlined the analysis on its Web site: "No knockout blow."

It said Kerry struck "some serious blows against the president in his handling of the war in Iraq," but that Bush "didn't make any serious gaffes that could have left a serious opening for the challenger."

In Russia, analyst Alexander Kremenyuk said, "Frankly speaking, for an acting president, Bush looked quite weak. He was defending himself. He wasn't attacking much. ... At some points, he had to justify himself."

Some Asian viewers also saw Kerry come out ahead.

"I don't think President Bush did such a good job on the issues. He seemed to waver," said auditor Rob Liew, a critic of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq who watched the debate while sipping coffee in Singapore.

Interest in the U.S. race is high in Asia, where countries such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore support the U.S. policy in Iraq.

China did not comment on the U.S. presidential race, but Beijing clearly is interested in the candidates' stands on Taiwan - a topic which did not come up in the debate.

AP-ES-10-01-04 1234EDT