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To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 2:40:36 PM
From: Gut Trader  Respond to of 793970
 
GEORGE BUSH: You fight with the strength of many men, Sir knight. I am George, [pause] I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my Court of Washington. [pause] You have proved yourself worthy; will you join me? [pause] You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.

Kerry, BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass.

GEORGE BUSH: What?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass.

GEORGE BUSH: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir knight, but I must cross this bridge.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die.

GEORGE BUSH: I command you as President Elect of the United States to stand aside!

GORE, BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man.

GEORGE BUSH: So be it! [hah] [parry thrust] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]

GEORGE BUSH: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch.

GEORGE BUSH: A scratch? Your arm's off!
KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't.

GEORGE BUSH: Well, what's that then?

KERY, BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse.

GEORGE BUSH: You liar!

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come on you pansy! [hah] [parry thrust] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]

GEORGE BUSH: Victory is mine! [kneeling] We thank thee Lord, that in thy merc- [hah]

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come on then.

GEORGE BUSH: What?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you!

GEORGE BUSH: You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine.

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh?

GEORGE BUSH: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Yes I have.

GEORGE BUSH: Look!

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. [bang]

GEORGE BUSH: Look, stop that.

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! Chicken!

GEORGE BUSH: Look, I'll have your leg. Right! [whop]

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I'll do you for that!

GEORGE BUSH: You'll what?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere!

GEORGE BUSH: What are you going to do, bleed on me?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible!

GEORGE BUSH: You're a LOONY.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: The BLACK KNIGHT always triumphs! Have at you! Come on then. [whop] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's other leg off]

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw.

GEORGE BUSH: Come, Patsy.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!



To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 2:42:13 PM
From: Gut Trader  Respond to of 793970
 
GEORGE BUSH: You fight with the strength of many men, Sir knight. I am George, Commander in Chief[pause] I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my Court of Washington. [pause] You have proved yourself worthy; will you join me? [pause] You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.

Kerry, BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass.

GEORGE BUSH: What?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass.

GEORGE BUSH: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir knight, but I must cross this bridge.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die.

GEORGE BUSH: I command you as President Elect of the United States to stand aside!

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man.

GEORGE BUSH: So be it! [hah] [parry thrust] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]

GEORGE BUSH: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch.

GEORGE BUSH: A scratch? Your arm's off!
KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't.

GEORGE BUSH: Well, what's that then?

KERY, BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse.

GEORGE BUSH: You liar!

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come on you pansy! [hah] [parry thrust] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]

GEORGE BUSH: Victory is mine! [kneeling] We thank thee Lord, that in thy merc- [hah]

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come on then.

GEORGE BUSH: What?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you!

GEORGE BUSH: You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine.

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh?

GEORGE BUSH: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Yes I have.

GEORGE BUSH: Look!

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. [bang]

GEORGE BUSH: Look, stop that.

KEERY, BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! Chicken!

GEORGE BUSH: Look, I'll have your leg. Right! [whop]

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I'll do you for that!

GEORGE BUSH: You'll what?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere!

GEORGE BUSH: What are you going to do, bleed on me?

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible!

GEORGE BUSH: You're a LOONY.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: The BLACK KNIGHT always triumphs! Have at you! Come on then. [whop] [GEORGE BUSH chops the BLACK KNIGHT's other leg off]

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw.

GEORGE BUSH: Come, Patsy.

KERRY, BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!



To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 3:15:00 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793970
 
The Raw Deal: John Kerry's Inaccurate Statements During Last Night's Debate

[KLP Note: This from Spain....Where is the American Press on this? ]

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"John Kerry's at least 16 inaccurate statements during last night's debate widened his credibility gap on the most important issues facing our nation. While President Bush spoke clearly and from the heart about the path toward victory in the War on Terror, Kerry relied on false attacks and demonstrated his continued willingness to play politics with the War on Terror."

- Steve Schmidt, Bush-Cheney '04 Spokesman

John Kerry Made At Least 16 Inaccurate Statements During Last Night's Debate

Kerry Inaccurately Claimed Cuts In Homeland Security Funding Caused NYC Subway To Be Closed During The RNC Convention. "In an early exchange about homeland security, Kerry got it wrong when he claimed President Bush's cuts in funding for infrastructure protection was 'why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there.' The only problem is that no subway service beneath Madison Square Garden was suspended during the convention, even as buses were diverted and gridlock ruled the streets." ("Subway Flub Derails Challenger," The New York Post, 10/1/04)

Kerry Falsely Claimed He Had “Made A Mistake In How” He Talked About His Vote Against The $87 Billion, Despite Previously Saying It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding For Our Troops. (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/14/03)

Kerry Claimed He's "Never, Ever" Used Word "Lying" In Reference To President Bush On Iraq, But In December 2003 Kerry Told A New Hampshire Editorial Board Bush "Lied" About Reasons For Going To War In Iraq And In September 2003 Kerry Said Bush Administration "Lied" And "Misled." (Patrick Healy, "Kerry Camp Lowers N.H. Expectations Behind In Polls, Senator Now Seeks Spot In 'Top Two,'" The Boston Globe, 12/8/03; Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)

According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry's "Cost" For The Iraq War Is Off By $80 Billion. ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, factcheck.org, Accessed 10/1/04)

According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry "Overstated The Case" On Osama Bin Laden's Alleged Escape At Tora Bora. ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, factcheck.org, Accessed 10/1/04)

Kerry Made Assumption The UN Was Willing To Continue Sanctions Against Iraq Despite The Fact They Were Becoming "Increasingly Unpopular With Key Nations." (Glenn Kessler And Walter Pincus, "Few Factual Errors, But Truth Got Stretched At Times," The Washington Post, 10/1/04)

Kerry Misspoke And Said Weapons Of Mass Destruction Were "Crossing The (Iraq) Border Every Single Day." "The AP noted that Kerry misspoke when he said 'we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the (Iraq) border every single day, and they're blowing people up.' Kerry meant terrorists were crossing the border, not nuclear weapons." ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, factcheck.org, Accessed 10/1/04)

Kerry Claimed U.S. Soldiers Are "90 Percent Of The Casualties In Iraq," But The Wall Street Journal Puts U.S. Casualties Closer To 50% When You Include Iraqis Helping To Secure Their Own Country. (Editorial, "Our Kerry Iraq Guide," The Wall Street Journal, 9/30/04)

Kerry Falsely Claimed President Bush Diverted Forces From Afghanistan To Iraq; Gen. Tommy Franks Said It's "Absolutely Incorrect" That Resources Were Diverted From Afghanistan. (General Tommy Franks, ABC Radio's "The Sean Hannity Show," 9/21/04)

Kerry Falsely Claimed The Bush Administration Has Not Organized An International Summit To Discuss Iraq. "Reality Check: The administration has, in fact, organized just such a conference, in consultation with Iraqi and other Arab allies. It will be held in Cairo late in November, with the foreign ministers of the G8 countries (i.e. including antiwar countries such as France, Germany and Russia), China, the countries of the Arab League, Turkey and Iran invited to attend. If it goes ahead, it will mark the most significant attempt to forge a political consensus on Iraq since the war." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, time.com, 10/1/04)

Kerry Falsely Claimed The President Is "Cutting The COPS Program," When The Truth Is President Bush Has Already Met And Exceeded The COPS Program's 100,000 Officer Goal By 18 Percent. (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Default.asp?Item=1056)

Kerry Claimed Gen. Shinseki Was Retired For Testimony On Iraq When In Fact Shinseki's Retirement Was Announced In April 2002, Long Before He Testified About Potential Conduct Of Iraq War. (Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough, "Inside The Ring," The Washington Times, 4/19/02)

Kerry Misleadingly Claimed He Can Bring More Allies Into Iraq. "Reality Check: It wasn't the President's credibility that kept most of the international community out of Iraq; it was, and is, the policies pursued by the U.S. in Iraq. But Kerry is broadly committed to the same policies. And if, as he says, other countries will participate because they have a stake in the outcome, the presumably they would do so no matter who was President of the United States." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, time.com, 10/1/04)

Kerry Claimed To Have His Own Four-Point Plan For Iraq, But It Mirrors The President's Plan. "Kerry's plan… is pretty much a checklist of recent initiatives adopted by the Bush Administration." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, time.com, 10/1/04)

Kerry Falsely Stated The Agreement With North Korea Broke Down Because The President Didn't Continue The Clinton Administration's Policy. "Reality Check: While the Yongbon facility was under scrutiny and the fuel rods were sealed, North Korea has since admitted to running a secret parallel uranium-enrichment program to create weapons-grade fissile material in the years following the agreement reached with the Clinton administration, in violation of that agreement." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, time.com, 10/1/04)

Kerry Falsely Claimed The "Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein," But The 2002 Use Of Force Resolution Kerry Voted For Specifically Recognized Longstanding Regime Change Policy. (Public Law No. 107-243, Signed Into Law 10/16/02)



To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 4:41:12 PM
From: Gut Trader  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793970
 
CNN Crossfire "Kerry will Lose Election on Denying US right to Defend itself with Nuclear Bunker Busters"

PS
Funny shockwave
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To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 5:10:13 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793970
 
Kerry actually does have a plan to end the insurgency in Iraq.....

cagle.slate.msn.com

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To: unclewest who wrote (74258)10/1/2004 6:40:27 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793970
 
Lipscomb: Kerry Wrote After-Action Report For Bronze Star
Captain Ed

Thomas Lipscomb writes a fascinating article about his clever piece of detective work which demonstrates that John Kerry wrote the after-action report that led to his Bronze Star for an engagement that almost all witnesses claim never involved enemy fire. Lipscomb uncovered a 35-year-old operations order which narrows down the source of the story Kerry denies inventing:

A faded 35-year-old operations order recovered from the Naval Historical Center in Washington bears directly on the ongoing dispute between Sen. John Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth about who wrote the key after-action report that ended Kerry's service in Vietnam. The report appears in the official Navy records and is posted on Kerry's presidential campaign Web site.
The report details Kerry's participation in a naval operation on the Bay Hap River on March 13, 1969, in such glowing terms that he was awarded a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for pulling Special Forces officer James Rassmann out of the water while under heavy enemy fire. This third Purple Heart allowed Kerry to cut short his Vietnam tour after only four months.

Lipscomb reviews the action in the report and how it clashes with the memory of everyone except Rassmann and Kerry's crew. It talks about three miles of sustained enemy fire on both banks, something that Roy Hoffman says not only didn't occur that day, but never occurred under his command in Viet Nam. Larry Thurlow, who commanded the task force that day, insists that had they been met with that kind of withering enemy fire, he would have called in air support.

But Lipscomb puts on the gumshoes when he looks into the mysterious designation of the author given in the report: TE 194.5.4.4/1. This is not a random series of numbers, nor is it a geographical designation. The sequence refers to the command structure of Kerry's unit, or "task element" (TE).

194: Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, Commander of all Navy forces in Vietnam
5: Adm. Roy Hoffman, Commander of all Swift boats
4: Cmdr. Adrian Lonsdale
4: Cptn. George Elliot, CO of Kerry's base at An Thoi

The '/1' indicates that someone other than Elliot sent the report, and the 'TE' would have been 'CTE' had it been Thurlow, who commanded the task element that day. That leads to only three other officers, and Lipscomb traces their whereabouts:

According to a Navy communications expert, Chief Petty Officer Troy Jenkins, who has examined the message traffic, the report in question was sent from the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Spencer, Lonsdale's command ship, at 11:20 that night.
Only three of the officers on the mission that day were on the Spencer, John Kerry, Dick Pease and Donald Droz. Droz took the wounded from the mine explosion to be examined and treated at the Spencer, including the third officer, the severely wounded Dick Pease. Since the Spencer had no helipad for the evacuation of the wounded, Droz then had to return to the USS Washtenaw County, stationed about 25 nautical miles away, leaving only Kerry aboard the Spencer at the time the message was sent at 11:20 p.m.

Could Droz have somehow written the report? Lonsdale says command precedence of days in swift boat service alone rules this out. "According to the command procedure I set down, Kerry would have been the only logical candidate. Kerry had been in Vietnam since November. Droz just arrived at An Thoi in February." Thurlow adds, "I never liked the paperwork anyway. I was happy to have Kerry write them up."

And there is another factor. Thurlow ordered Droz to take care of the wounded after the action on the Bay Hap. Droz had ferried them 40 miles out to the Spencer and now had to take them 25 miles back to the USS Washtenaw County. Moving wounded on and off a 327-foot cutter from a 50-foot swift boat on the open sea was not something Droz was likely to leave unsupervised long enough to dash off a report. Kerry had no duties other than reporting to the sick bay, where according to his doctor he was seen at 7 that night. And he spent the night on the Spencer.

The Kerry campaign has always denied that Kerry wrote the after-action report that won him the Bronze Star. It looks like Lipscomb has demonstrated that Kerry's denials have been less than truthful.

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