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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (204669)	10/2/2004 2:16:55 AM
From: Peter Dierks	Respond to of 1573001

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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (204669)	10/2/2004 4:21:22 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573001

Amy, Well, that's possibly how some felt when Bush stole the election from Al Gore. I'm having trouble figuring out whether you believe this or not, given how tired yet outrageous this accusation is, and given how you aren't the type to toss out flame-bait. Its not "tired" or "outrageous". Unfortunately, its not legally certifiable either. Only once before have we had a president win the EC and not the popular vote. So its a rare occurrence and a hard pill to swallow for those who were on the winning side of the popular vote. Tie that in with the fact the deciding state had signficant levels of voting fraud; that that same deciding state of 17 million people was won with a paltry 537 votes; that the deciding state is governed by the EC winner's bro and that the party of the EC winner ran to the USSC when the stateside issues in question were not handled to THEIR satisfaction, and you have enough uncertainty to smell up the results and make those results look very questionable. The entire FLA debacle was handled poorly. Some critical issues were raised that never got addressed and nothing has been done to prevent those issues from coming up in the future. It was so unpleasant, we have gone into a national state of denial over it. In any case, Gore supporters were left with a very bad taste in their mouths. Adding insult to injury, this presidency has chosen to implement an agenda that is both radical and questionnable. Furthermore, it has not been done with great success. Consequently, I am surprised that you are annoyed that the results of the 2000 election keep getting raised. I would be surprised if they were not. ted

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (204669)	10/3/2004 10:05:32 PM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573001

Tenchusatsu, RE: "I'm having trouble figuring out" It's a philosophical commentary, that conveys there's a "particular something" that applies to both sides, regardless of your political position. What is that particular something? You probably have observed it here on this thread, when some say Bush is "honest" and they give Bush a free pass on things they probably shouldn't. Equally as likely on this thread, you'll see some think Kerry is "<insert adjective>" and they give him a free pass on things they probably shouldn't. It works exactly both ways. You can pretty much take the earlier post and apply it to either side: < > is a liar. < > is a polished speaker. When Bush won, some people from Dem Party said the above. If Kerry wins, some people from the other Party will say the above. People on both sides (you and me included) tend to be a bit blind to the flaws of the guy they (we) are voting for President (and I say guy, because so far it's only been male Presidential candidates in this so-called land-of-equality). Likewise, people on both sides tend to see the flaws of the other guy they don't want to see be President. When some people say (from the bottom of their heart too), that they think Bush is honest, it's almost embarrassing they could even think that, given what he did when he got his first million. Likewise, it's probably pretty embarrassing to you, when people say something positive about a feature of a Dem candidate that doesn't have this feature but gets a free pass by his followers. You can take any election and that's how people are going to feel - they will always feel their candidate either won the election because they genuinely deserved to win, but if their candidate loses they will feel it is because the other guy was a liar and polished speaker. Bias is alive and well. That's the philosophical point being made. Regards, Amy J < > is a smooth liar that could sell snake oil to any < >.