To: SI Bob who wrote (21513 ) 10/3/2004 1:28:35 AM From: d:oug Respond to of 32903 "can't make a dropdown of all the possible RGB's" Bob & Dave & Sheriff Matt, A single web page picture of the range of RGB's is worth... "The load time [on] DSL [measurable] with a calendar." I'am clueless on what artist know as Hue, Sat and Lum below, but as a pc user I'am able to obtain the final result for what I want as a solid background color for web pages, very easy, and without having to know the technology of RGB'ology :o) Since Bob uses Opera, and hopefully has the latest, but if not, Dave can come up to speed on it, and follow these bread crumbs, or for Matt, KKD crumbs. Opera browser - to obtain web page background solid color Preferences Page Style To the right of "Background color" is a bordered rectangle of default, or already selected color. Do a mouse click inside this rectangle and be taken to a pop-up window that has top label of "Color" that has an array 6x8 of 48 predefined basic colors, and an array 2x8 of 16 user defined customs. (gosh, I forget which is proper, row x colume or colume x row) Now either select any basic color by mouse click'n it, or accept default of white, and click on "Define Custom Color" which adds a pop-up to the right side of current pop-up. You now have a menue to be able to "Add to Custom Colors" using the visual picture of the rainbow screen that goes from red, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet to represent not a zillion, but how many pixels you can click with your mouse. a.k.a. more than a lot to satisfy everyone except Churok Its a two-way street here with the RGBs. You can obtain a color using your mouse, and record the numbers, or you can insert the numbers from a knowned color from the many links recently given on this thread, or Bob's iHub feature. But then I may be missing something since the boxes to display or insert numbers for Hue, Sat and Lum I know not what are for. Be nice if someone located a link URL to a web site that has a setup like this in Opera to obtain and test RGB numbers so that IH and SI could allow a user to select a background color this way, or the way now to be used via Muddy Waters and learn the RBG scream :o) KISS is best when it is offered upfront and easy, rather than learn the game played :o) (eXtra for Bob & Dave) New Java looks to shake up desktopinvestorshub.com ... Tiger is an important release for Sun in attempting to attract developers and independent software vendors to Java rather than .Net Tiger goes a long way towards addressing what many would call Java's biggest weakness: performance... D:oug