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Politics : Proof that John Kerry is Unfit for Command -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Captain Jack who wrote (14986)	10/2/2004 7:47:09 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 27181

The Army Times stands behind Kerry against the smearvets armytimes.com Notice they say Thurlow's tall tale is contradicted. Take away that and there's almost nothing left. I wonder how soldiers in Iraq bleeding for their combat stars will feel about a few rightwing extremists spitting on our heros. You should enlist for Iraq is you believe in FUBAR wars so much, bubba. Go on, go get yourself shot in the head in Fallujah for GW Bush's lies.

To: Captain Jack who wrote (14986)	10/2/2004 11:19:31 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27181

When were you in Vietnam, if ever? As I recall things while I was in SE Asia, the US first became involved in Vietnam in 1961, long before Kerry saw action there. Between 1961 an 1964, the mighty US had lots of time to defeat the Vietnamese Communists but it did practically nothing to this end. Then in 1964. President Johnson decided to escalate the war to finish off the Commies once and for all. But the US failed again. By 1968, when the Vietnam War was exacting such a heavy toll on US fighting forces and materiél and cash, Senator Cabot Lodge was asked to float a trial balloon for peace. Meantime, Americans at home and elsewhere were told US forces were winning and that the war would be over SOON. But that SOON turned out to be another 7 long years!!! When peace was signed in 1975, General Giap, the Vietnamese general, forced the Americans to scramble and hustle themselves out of Saigon in a jiffy! The Americans got a kick in the butt, literally speaking. Who says that the American forces never lost a battle in Vietnam? You can bluff others but NOT me!!! The Americans and allies lost many a battle in Vietnam! These went unreported because that would be bad for the troops' morale and bad for American prestige in the world at large. The Americans lost for a number of reasons. First off, they were not trained for guerilla warfare and they were unaccustomed to the jungle terrain. Next, they were generally unable to distinguish friend from foe (commie Vietcong from loyal South Vietnamese). Also, most of the US fighting men were blacks and hispanics, not the elite US troops. But most damning of all was that many of the US fighters were unwilling or half-hearted fighters ---- carry-over products of Love-is-in-the-air-Hippie era! and others who were pampered by a cushy-cushy lifestyle in the USA! The Vietnam War got to be so long not because of Kerry and the Soviets etc & etc, but because of hubris of two American presidents neither of whom wanted to be the first president ever to lose a war!!! That was why the war dragged on until 1975. IMHO, Kerry was a serendipitous scapegoat for the Nixon Administration. And simple-minded veterans fell for the machinations of politicians and Kerry detractors to blame and hassle Kerry for their suffering in Vietnamese POW camps. But for Kerry helping to end the war sooner, more US troops would have been killed or wounded or tortured in Vietnam! You can fool yourself and others. But NOT me! I have been around for a long time and in more places than you could imagine. I am not one of the many here who were not yet born during the Vietnam War. Nor was I a babe or toddler then and grew up in ignorance of a war many chose to forget until the Kerry detractors and opportunists brought it up again. multied.com