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To: greenspirit who wrote (74944)	10/5/2004 3:27:06 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793955

>>>>>If the American people want to win this war against terrorism, they better elect a leader respected by the all volunteer American armed forces.<<<< Let us all hope that we don't have to find out the hard way. BWT, saw a website today that may cheer you up.... <ggg> kerry-04.org

To: greenspirit who wrote (74944)	10/5/2004 7:50:44 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

I will go out on a limb here and say if Kerry is elected there will be a mass migration of people out of the service. Hanoi Jane's look-alike is detested by the military, and people serve because of love of country and belief in leadership. Mike, Thank you. I have been wanting to write that for a long time, but was reluctant. Kerry says he will double the size of Special Forces. That will never happen. He will not be able to maintain even close to the current personnel levels. Career SFers took all they could tolerate from Clinton. IMO they will not let Kerry wear them out. Maybe Kerry's daughters will volunteer for combat to support their dad. uw

To: greenspirit who wrote (74944)	10/5/2004 10:26:35 AM
From: SBHX	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

The problem here is that Kerry understands that he has locked up the anti-war appeasement/pacifist votes earlier when he spoke about a 6 month withdrawal and talked of wrong war wrong time wrong place. The anti-war vote now can ignore the texts when he speaks of standing firm in Iraq for as long as it takes. If he says "I will kill the terrorists" there is a certain amount of nudge-nudge wink-wink given to the anti-war voters. But Kerry has no choice really, because most thinking people do agree that failure in Iraq is not an option. It is because of the the winds of opinion that Kerry now talks the tough talk, and many like what he is saying. Remember that Bush is not infallible and has many convictions that are not exactly popular --- eg. his stance on scientific research and social issues. However having some disagreements with Bush's views, I do still respect him for his steadfastness and the strength of his convictions. Kerry on the other hand, I've been wondering what his core belief is. Kerry is the biggest argument for why the military draft is the worst thing a country can have. Military service must be a volunteer one, otherwise you will get people such as Kerry who will work actively to finesse the system and undermine the institution. Today, I think Kerry's true core belief is one of appeasement and withdrawal and that is the real John Kerry. The one on TV saying earnestly he wants to kill terrorists is not the real John Kerry.

To: greenspirit who wrote (74944)	10/5/2004 7:23:00 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 793955

Wondered if you'd heard about this Michael? M Rescue mission for crippled sub Tuesday, October 5, 2004 Posted: 2236 GMT (0636 HKT) The Canadian sub HMCS Chicoutimi, shown when it was the British HMS Upholder, lost power after a fire Tuesday night. YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS Great Britain Canada Defense or Create your own Manage alerts \| What is this? LONDON, England -- Britain has launched a rescue operation to recover the crew of a Canadian submarine after a fire on board the vessel, the UK Ministry of Defense has said. The ministry said the British Coast Guard received a mayday call Tuesday morning from the HMCS Chicoutimi, a diesel-powered submarine, saying there was a fire on board. Nine people have been injured, but not seriously, according to a Reuters news service report. The fire has knocked out power from the diesel engines and the sub is drifting without power. Three ships are on the way to the submarine, which is about 160 kilometers (100 miles) northwest of Ireland, to pick up the 48-member crew. The vessel -- which was just purchased from the Royal Navy -- was on its way to Canada when the fire broke out. A senior Canadian official, speaking at 2:10 p.m. Ottawa time (1810 GMT), said a British towing vessel would take between 12 to 14 hours to reach the submarine. "The boat is without power and has only limited means of communicating at this time," Navy Commodore Tyrone Pyle told reporters in Halifax, saying winds in the area were greater than 30 knots (35 mph, 55 km/h). "The seas are rough and with the submarine on the surface they (the crew) are going to have some discomfort from rolling and tossing," Reuters reports Pyle saying. However Pyle answered "no" when asked whether there had been any danger of losing the craft. Although the fire was quickly put out, the submarine had to surface to get rid of the smoke. Nine crew members suffered the effects of smoke inhalation. The Chicoutimi is non-nuclear powered and carries no nuclear warheads. Canada does not have nuclear weapons. The fire is the latest in a long line of problems to hit the submarines, which have been plagued by serious mechanical mishaps such as cracks in the diesel exhaust valves and a number of leaks. They are mostly confined to port. Ottawa insists it got a good deal when it agreed to buy the second-hand submarines from Britain for C$750 million ($595 million) in 1998. But opposition legislators say the purchase reflects incompetence by the Liberal government. "I do not believe we purchased substandard equipment ... the price was very attractive to Canada," Reuters reports Canadian Defense Minister Bill Graham saying. Graham admitted that the fire was an "important problem." "Other ships have had fires in the past and no doubt there will be fires on board ships in the future -- this is something that our professional mariners are capable of managing ... There are risks in being in our Navy," he told reporters. Graham said the submarine would return to the Scottish port of Faslane for a detailed probe into the fire. edition.cnn.com