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To: carranza2 who wrote (147062)	10/7/2004 2:19:42 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hadn't heard it put quite that way, with norteño injun-fighters robbed by porfiriato hacendados, but i suppose it happened that way, more or less ..... to the south, for sure in Morelos and Guerrero, those being robbed considered themselves not only mexicanos, but indians as well, there was full awareness of being indigenous, and a pride in it, generally, regardless of how mestizo the individual ... that whole two-cultures thing has not been uniform in depth, varies quite a bit through both time and geography Villa was himself a mestizo, was he not? .... so was Díaz, lol ... but the core of what you're saying is that locals saw themselves being robbed by outsiders, and that was definitely the case .... what i recall of Villa is that he hated foreign miners, had quite a few shot, took care of some personally [?] ... mining geologists of the day would definitely have been regarded as científicos, of course Another trait shared by bin Laden and Villa, probably also by Atila the hun and Mahatma Gandhi, is charisma, an innate quality that attracted followers, don Doroteo had it strong .... indefinable, probably impossible to replicate artificially, but absolutely necessary for leadership, a politician has either got it or he don't 'Greed is Bad.' - well, explain your Tren Dorado then, chaparro -g- .... there is all kinds of greed ... i once barely escaped with my life after suggesting that Zapata might perhaps possibly have been susceptible to certain forms of it, had you not had him shot .... meant strictly as opening for discussion, but to the wrong crowd, clearly ..... Mq hasn't been around for a while, and NUN construction is lagging, i wonder if he's given up on this crowd.