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To: TimF who wrote (147310)	10/8/2004 11:43:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

When you are determined to start a war, a variety of topics will serve as grist for your promotion mill ... as we've seen demonstrated elsewhere ... that's what impressment was to the warhawks, something they could grind on and on about, to work up a fever for robbing canadians ... and then it served as cover in retrospect, they wrote it into their history books, and now today you swallow it as the Principal Cause for dispossessing canadians In fact there was very little impressment on the high seas by early 1812, and during the year - before the warhawk mob moved on Canada - the policy had been changed quite totally .... as the 1760s Stamp Act had been used in 1770s ballyhoo, it was an issue being used for propaganda after its time Chesapeake was stopped in 1807, years before the warhawks' little thievery project ... it also did in fact have RN seamen on board If anybody had casus belli over anything in that time, it was Britain, who was virtually alone in fighting a dictator who was trying to take over the world, and who was right about then [june 1812 if memory serves] marching on Moscow, at the height of his power, of course he was about to meet General Winter on the field, but no one realised the import of that yet .... so some quick-buck yanqui traders are going to get rich trading with this tyrant? - woo, there's casus belli, for sure ..... but in the actual case, there had been little yanqui support for Napoleon, in the few years up to 1811, in which year the warhawks stimulated what they could ..... New England shipping interests, however, tended to avoid supporting the tyrant ... not all of them certainly, but in general they tended to display a degree of humanity Britain being occupied fighting Napoleon meant to the warhawks that she couldn't defend Canada, so canadians would be easy prey .... so much for any pretense of concern for human rights, of course they never had any to start with, these tended to be proponents of slavery for negros and genocide for indians You keep repeating stuff, Tim, it's like you're not reading what i type .... check out some verbatim from Calhoun, Clay, and i think a Lowndes [sp?] ... there were others, i've forgotten the names .... the little incident where the slaver/warhawks give an ultimatum to Madison in [i think] the spring of 1812, the full story on that is quite fascinating - M could see the problems involved, but the neocons du jour weren't listening, and they had power up the ying-yang just at that moment