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To: Les H who wrote (19710)10/9/2004 3:12:59 PM
From: glenn_a  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194
 
Hi Les.

I prefer not to judge a claim as being "crackpot", until I have heard the argument, ascertained the evidence, and judged it to be totally without merit.

Having not yet read Michael Ruppert's book, I cannot yet assess whether his claim is "crackpot" as you term it. However, I have read enough material thusfar to have enough interest in the claim to carefully consider Ruppert's argument.

In the past couple of months, I have read Alfred McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin - CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade", the Seagrave's "Gold Warriors - America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold", "Inside Job - the Looting of America's Savings and Loans", "The Mafia, CIA, & George Bush" (which, BTW, is the story of the S&L crisis form the view of the complicity of the Texan elites, including Democrat Lloyd Benson), Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's excellent "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton", "False Profits - The Inside Story of BCCI", "Gentleman Spy - the Life of Alan Dulles", and two extraordinary books by Professor Anthony Sutton "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution", and "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler".

The most dramatic theme of these particular constellation of books is the relationship between Western economic and financial elites, covert agencies, organized crime, and financial fraud in recent US and World history - mostly the post-Cold War decades, but also some prior to and including WWII.

This material is an extension of my continuing fascination with, and investigation of, the United States' "political unconscious" (the wonderful term coined by Fredric Jameson). There are persistent and very well researched patterns, that once they are brought to light and recovered from the realm of a society's political unconscious, are wonderful material for a deeper and more honest accounting of important mechanisms and causes of history.

There are many other important sources for this history, and the above mentioned books are just a smattering of some of the more recent material I've run across.

I would also suggest that more conventional historical analysis very clearly reveals the "impact" of these actors in history, but without understanding the "deep" polictical forces and the support conferred by their political and financial sponsors, the underlying mechanisms often remain hidden.

If Dick Cheney is an extension of the forces that underlie the historical undercurrents revealed in the books above, then I have no doubt he was/is capable of being complicit in the 9-11 attacks. As to whether he in fact WAS involved, well, I evaluated the merit of that judgement after reading the argument presented by Ruppert.

Best regards,
Glenn



To: Les H who wrote (19710)10/9/2004 5:13:25 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194
 
you'll notice that the more intelligent peak-oil proponents may be keeping their distance. it seems there's a real attempt to legitimize the peak-oil position without letting it get usurped by the tinfoil hat crowd.



To: Les H who wrote (19710)10/9/2004 6:44:39 PM
From: NOW  Respond to of 110194
 
curious why you are certain that that is a crackpot assumption?