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To: Alan Smithee who wrote (76170)	10/9/2004 10:01:24 PM
From: Gut Trader	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793782

He seemed to be having fun with the oil for food ill gotten booty. Didn't have to share with Iraqi's. French enjoyed their priveleged position . EURO was the currency in the oil fer Euro scam ... leveraging Euro <Soros> currency trading positions.....

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (76170)	10/9/2004 11:11:51 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793782

<<<In light of the Dueffler report, I have this question. Why was Saddam so uncooperative about inspections? He acted like he had something to hide. His actions let a number of people to conclude that he indeed had WMD. If he did not, why didn't he just open the country up, with free access to the inspectors. Once they'd validated that he had no WMD, the political pressure would have been great to end sanctions and he could have proceeded with his plans to reacquire WMD.>> I think Saddam pretended to have WMD's as a deterent. If he wanted to prove he did not have them, he could have told the truth about their disposal or faked the paperwork to show what was done with them. The only real threats to Saddam I can vision are the USA ( since he had bought off the other countries) or the Kurds or Shiite's in Iraq. If the UN failed to protect him, which is the way it turned out, then the US would have to think very seriously about casualties to be suffered by attacking a Nation armed with WMD's. Saddam had a bad year. He should not have interfered with Hans Blix inspectors,and the US applied the serious consequences approved by the UN resolutions despite France's promised objection. So the US was prepared to meet up with WMD's on the way to Baghdad. But what if Saddam had some nuclear stuff? That was not very likely because of the inspections, but there was no guarantee. And it would explain why the shock and awe treatment was applied to take out military installations as soon as possible. But let us assume that Saddam had just one little nuke, and was planning to build 5 per year. Should he have been stopped immediately or after another 6 months of UN inspections, when he would have three. ? Sig

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (76170)	10/10/2004 2:54:09 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 793782

He acted like he had something to hide. His actions let a number of people to conclude that he indeed had WMD. He certainly did. Don't feel bad.....there is absoloutely something missing from the equation that the US and other intelligence agencies are trying to unravel. On the night of August 7, 1995 General Hussein Kamal, and his brother, Coloned Saddam Kamal crossed the Iraqi border into Jordan. "They brought with them documents that were turned over to the UN, prompting Baghdad to disclose new details of its secret program to develop nuclear bombs, biological weapons, and ballistic missiles." These documents identified that a German nuclear energy company known as Interatom GmbH, a subsidary of Siemens, was building the centrifuges at the Al Furat facility, "where Saddam hoped to complete a "cascade" of one hundred centrifutges by 1993." Hussein Kamal said that U.S. and allied bombing raids during the 1991 war destroyed Iraq's nuclear program, he revealed that the centrifuge method continued, and that the "blueprints are still there on microfiches." Saddam coaxed the two brothers back to Iraq in February 1996 and summarily shot them, but not before they had revealed new details of Iraq's secret program to develop a nuclear bomb. The Iraq Survey Group, led by the CIA representative, David Kay, discovered that "sometime in 1999-2000 Iraq switched gears and began developing a whole new family of missiles,. The group theorized that SH, deciding to wait until sanctions were lifted to restart his nuclear, chemical , and biological weapons programs, chose to focus on the delivery systems for the weapoons. The UN, after all, had allowed Iraq to biild short-range missiles; if Iraq could work on short-range missiles, making their range longer was only slightly more challenging technically." "The Survey Group also uncovered thousands of documents that exposed the tentacle-like web of Iraqi procurement connections. 'This is an ongoing operation,' said Kay. 'It is important not only in Iraq. It's important because of the fear that these same countries, companies and individuals are likely to have been involved with proliferant activities and other states, so it's an ongoing operation that would put people's lives in jeorpardy if I told you much more." Kay also said; "We have a series of companies, not NK, that were involved in dual-use and other precursor sales of chemicals to the Iraqis after 1998, and that also is the subject of continuing investigation to see exactly what it means." He said that some European companies were involved in the missile program in Iraq, but he declined to name them. My note: It is my belief the the names of these companies are contained within UN oil-for-food documents, and that eventually their names will be revealed. No one seems capable of explaining why SH continued this game, maybe he was playing with the International community in order to create an illusion of grandeur? Regardless, he was willing to slaughter thousands of people, including his brother in laws, to prop that illusion. I'm reading Bill Gertz's book "Treachery" and I've used several experts from his book in this post. There is ample evidence...if one cares to look.....pointing out that SH was in the market for WMDs, and was only blocked from going forward with these programs by UN sanctions. The danger was, the sanctions were falling apart. When the sanctions were inevitably lifted due to pressure from France, Germany, Russia and China, countries with the most to gain from the lifting of those sanctions, there is not much doubt that SH would have re-constituted his WMD programs. Gertz's book painstakingly lays out how the program was being managed, which countries were involved as well as specific companies involved and what they provided. It's becoming clear that the WOT does have several different fronts, as GWB has said...and one of them is old Europe. M