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To: abstract who wrote (76249)	10/10/2004 9:24:09 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

If you don't like us, you have a choice. In the meantime, a major Democratic contributor is up to his ears in the oil for food scandal. You can imagine the play this would get if he were a Republican. NEWSWEEK: Democrat Donor received $22 million in "Oil for Food" Scandal msnbc.msn.com If the name of a "Big Money" Political Party Donor with ties to Enron was discovered on the rolls of Saddam's Coalition of the Bribed, what do you think would happen to the Candidate of that Party? What if that Candidate of that Party was John Kerry? Newsweek drops a bombshell on the Kerry Campaign: Texas Oil Baron and Big-Time Democrat Donor Oscar Wyatt has received perhaps as much a $22 million dollars in profits through oil allocations bought illicitly from Saddam Hussein. From MSNBC: United Nations: Oil-for-Food Fiasco?" Law-enforcement sources say Americans who participated in alleged oil-for-food scams also may face further investigation. The CIA deleted from Duelfer's report names of Saddam's U.S. oil-for-food favorites. But an uncensored copy of the Duelfer report obtained by NEWSWEEK indicates Houston oil mogul Oscar Wyatt got oil allocations from Saddam which could have earned him and Coastal Corp.—a company he founded and ran until 2000—profits of more than $22 million. Wyatt and wife Lynn are major donors to political causes: since 1989 they have given nearly $700,000 in contributions, of which more than $500,000 went to Democrats. Wyatt told NEWSWEEK that his company did buy oil from Saddam but that he never did so personally, and that his company's dealings all complied with U.N. rules. —Mark Hosenball and Steve Tuttle Who is Oscar Wyatt? More than just a oil man, he's an outspoken critic of both Gulf Wars, and a big time Democratic Party Donor... As per Houston's Clear Thinkers: The 10-K also disclosed that one of El Paso's units has been subpoenaed by a grand jury from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York to produce records regarding the United Nations' Oil for Food Program governing sales of Iraqi oil. The unit, El Paso CGP Company, was formerly Coastal Corp., which the company acquired in January 2001. The former chairman of Coastal -- Oscar Wyatt -- was an unabashed critic of Operation Desert Storm in the first Persian Gulf War and has been a vocal public critic of El Paso's management over the past several years. Wyatt was not just one of many on the list; according to the Houston Chronicle, Wyatt received the "lion's share" of the oil allocations: The largest of the allocations went to Wyatt, who the list said had received allocations totaling 74 million barrels. At the profit rates of 15 cents to 85 cents per barrel that were reported in the arms inspector's study, he could have earned $23 million. According to this same report by the Houston Chronicle, this was no accident; Wyatt was no simple businessman looking for a "deal". Instead, Wyatt was a personal friend, public supporter and political ally of Saddam Hussein - even when the United States was at war with Hussein. The proceeds may have been used by Saddam to pay for purchases of arms in violation of the U.N. sanctions, the report says. Wyatt, who did not respond to messages seeking comment, was by far the largest recipient of oil allocations. Wyatt has had a long relationship with Saddam, dating back to before the Gulf War when his company Coastal Corp. was a major buyer of Iraqi oil. He won fame in 1991 by taking his company's plane to Iraq to pick up American citizens being held hostage during the run up to the war. He also did business with the Libyan leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi. In 2000, Coastal Corp. merged with El Paso Corp. Wyatt is still a large shareholder in El Paso, but he is not an executive with the company, which last month received the subpoena related to the Iraqi oil deals. Wyatt Announced in March 1997 that he would retire and begin lobbying in Washington to lift sanctions against Iraq and Libya. Wyatt appears to have used his ill-gotten gains wisely - buying the leftovers of Enron. According to New Age Business: Enron said that the company and the Official Unsecured Creditor's Committee decided the CCE offer was best. Enron previously had said NuCoastal LLC, a company run by Texas billionaire and Coastal Corp. founder Oscar Wyatt Jr. had offered $2.2 billion in May. So how does this affect Kerry? Well, perhaps we should couch it in terms even the Old Press can understand: Big Oil, bribed by Saddam Hussein, helped pay for John Kerry's campaign. Money used to buy Hussein's army's guns helped pay for John Kerry's campaign. Guns used to kill American Soldiers helped pay for John Kerry's campaign... johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com

To: abstract who wrote (76249)	10/10/2004 11:19:01 AM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 793755

abstract some Kerry supporters (like A S) have the IQ of a jockstrap. It is hard to resist playing with the mental midget. Besides-- s/he/it is such an ass many undecided are flocking to GW after listening to the rant. It is suspected A S and Kery have approx the same IQ ( - 17). A S needs to be reminded Kerry has based his entire life on lies. Also, Kerry has admitted some of them recently and is an admitted war criminal and is a traitor. The list goes on, but A S forgets quickly,,LOL

To: abstract who wrote (76249)	10/10/2004 4:00:06 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

Don't like the way we write.....don't read us.

To: abstract who wrote (76249)	10/12/2004 2:03:41 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

Oh really? I completely disagree with your opinion. I'll tell you what. I have a fair challenge for you. Below is a list of 5 regular contributors from "Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch" that meet the criteria you assert is accurate about both threads. If you're up for the challenge, you can pick the same number of regulars on this thread that you believe are off the charts in outrageous behavior. Then we will each pick 5 posts from each of person on our lists that we feel meet the criteria asserted in your post. We can then link our findings to this post. Let's keep it to posts made in the last 30 days, OK? IMO, the vituperativeness, absence of logic, fringe behavior.... ridiculous name calling, transparent hate & stupidity from the left will be overwhelming when compared to the absolute worst you can find from the right on this thread in the same time frame. I'm willing to bet that an objective comparison of your 25 prime examples against mine will not even close. Here are my top 5 candidates Along with a hint of what's to come. <ggg> sylvester80 "The Bush lying criminal thugs remember have the florida fraud Diebold and the big corporation money behind them while we have THE PEOPLE..... LYING POS CRIMINAL BIG OIL WHORE BUSH'S DAYS ARE NUMBERED!." Raymond Duray "We do not support local businesses that view corruption, greed and the criminal wet dreams of George Bush as part of our collective vision." ralph-emerson "Oppppps sorry it was his DAD who was addicted to Halcion, Bush is an alcoholic and cocaine user. I suspect he is on benzos also as was his father and niece Noelle Bush, Jebs daughter. No wonder GWB is so friendly to the drug companies, he needs cheap drugs himself." SiouxPal "Bush is a feminine pussy" TigerPaw "To get out of the quagmire we need a change of direction. Junior is clueless. He is failing, but his only answer is to fail harder.">> <<"Junior let the terrorists go so that he could consentrate on the oil." Honorable Mention American Spirit "Atrocities were common in Vietnam because of the CIA's secret war code-named "the Phoenix Program. The right wants this covered up, but our spec ops were used by the CIA to carry out very brutal terminations with extreme prejudice. I mean brutal stuff. Kerry ferried some of those missions up the bowels of hell." Mao II "You moron -- what do you think made your great god famous as "governor" of Texas? "Please please Governor Bush, don't kill me...." Bush the merciful." tooearly "if it isnt patently clear by now that the same people who condone torture, who gladly trash american liberties, who wage war against innocent people based on lies, will be wiling to play politics in a dirty manner, then WHEN THE F#$% will IT be CLEAR?????" eumenides "Bush is the worst president this country will ever see and it showed in spades last night." redfish "That is a lie. They are not dying protecting us. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and even if it had wanted to attack the U.S., it lacked the means to do so." Karen Lawrence "Yes, neo-cons are scary. They take first borns, wipe out life savings, leave a person without jobs, health care, clean air or fresh water. They follow us on the Internet and keep track of our purchases, and they ask librarians to document books we borrow. Then they say "Vote us in four more years". No thanks." roserrsp "what do you have when you have a nation that knows it's being fed lies and doesn't care? a nation ripe for fascism." wulidancer1 (National) Guarding Bush: Did Karl Rove Leak Forged Documents to 60 Minutes? crdesign "NAH...come to think of it, he's (Bush) too dumb to comprehend such a calculated thought" Santiago "The only ones that I see who would vote for Bush are Lemmings and war mongers." Fillmore Hagan "...the new medicare drug law.... The Bushies are going to lose millions of votes on this issue as more and more seniors discover what this bill really means for them. It is as brazen a fraud in its own way as the Iraq war." stockman_scott A Personal Message from George Soros.>>>...<<< commondreams.org <<...If the Bush administration remains in power, failure in Iraq is a virtual certainty.....Retired Air Force Col. Mike Turner abstract "The vituperativeness here and on Scotman Scott's thread is remarkably simliar. Same number of posts and posters, same absence of logic, same fringe behavior....same ridiculous name calling, same transparent hate, same stupidity, just coming from a differnt direction. Have all of you looked in the mirror?" ROTFLMAO!