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To: jlallen who wrote (147519)	10/10/2004 7:33:30 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

.in fact the President dealt with a gathering threat....and the world is better off for it... Incorrect. The report confirms what all now suspect - that Hussein was impotent. At the time of the invasion, Saddam had less capability than he had 10 years prior. Far less. Gulf War I, Sanctions, No-Fly Zone, and vigillance kept Saddam contained. The report confirms that containment worked. The report confirms that he was losing capability, not regaining it. Now the Bush administration and GW himself, left with nothing else to hang their stetsons on, is making pronouncements on Saddam's "intent". Left with no hard facts (no stock piles, no factories, no labs, no centrifuge parts, no NOTHING) Bush is reduced to telling us in colourful language that Saddam was bad, and wanted to be badder, despite no ability to become the world threatening meanie he wanted to be. Meanwhile, any smart terrorist has probably used the massive distraction of the past two years to plan something nasty and for all we know is in the middle of executing their plan.

To: jlallen who wrote (147519)	10/11/2004 12:45:38 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Jlallen, re: The Deulfer report confirms the intel was faulty as to stockpiles...but not as to SH's strategy, intentions, etc...in fact the President dealt with a gathering threat....and the world is better off for it... Good, now you get a cracker. First, the Deulfer report didn't just say there weren't stockpiles. The report confirms that there were no wmds, small or large, chenmical, biological or nuclear which threatened any number of people. The report also says that the Iraqis were not reconstituting their wmd programs. The report also confirms that the Iraqis were telling the truth. Remember when Bush said their denials of wmd programs and stockpiles were clear lies and that we had to invade because they "weren't coming clean?" Their very act of telling the truth became his reason for invasion, i.e., "they won't come clean and account for their wmds and we must, therefor use force." Orwellian? You decide. But thank goodness we can read minds and predict the future. If not for our ability to see into his mind and then look a decade and more ahead, we might have made a big mistake in betting the farm on this one. But of course we didn't. Duelfer is unbiased and he was able to see what Saddam intended. The Bush Administration knows so much about the world that they know that Saddam would have lived, maintained power, gotten free of sanctions, found ways to start up and maintain secret wmd programs with the world watching him, found delivery systems and then had the intent to attack or conspire with others to attack the WMD monster of the world. It would clearly have been the end of the world as we know it. Yes, why didn't I see it-it makes perfect sense. Jlallen, a few words of advice; just cause someone has the gall to make a silly statement isn't reason enough to place a bet on it being true. And parroting some conclusion with a one-liner post doesn't mean you're persuading anyone but yourself.