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To: Neocon who wrote (147637)	10/11/2004 9:13:14 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Group: al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared' 1 hour, 16 minutes ago U.S. National - AP By SAM DOLNICK, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - At least 11 al-Qaida suspects have "disappeared" in U.S. custody, and some may have been tortured, Human Rights Watch said in a report issued Monday. The prisoners are probably being held outside the United States without access to the Red Cross or any oversight of their treatment, the human rights group said. In some cases, the United States will not even acknowledge the prisoners are in custody. The report said the prisoners include the alleged architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as Abu Zubaydah, who is believed to be a close aide to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). In refusing to disclose the prisoners' whereabouts or acknowledge the detentions, Human Rights Watch said, the U.S. government has violated international law, international treaties and the Geneva Convention. The group called on the government to bring all the prisoners "under the protection of the law." news.yahoo.com

To: Neocon who wrote (147637)	10/11/2004 10:41:33 PM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I guess we need to take a stab at the definition of the benefitial results of the invasion. Saddam is out of power. That is a good thing since he murdered Kurds in his own country. Generations of open political opposition have been given a chance to flourish in the absence of Saddam's autocratic regime. As much as leaders like al Sadr revile me, they have been given an instrumental part of the new government. If any nation needs a democratic pathway to resolve bitter tension, Iraq is the poster child for reform. All nations need to live in a state of balance. Are we so naive to forget the challenges of our own fight for independence? American people killed each other in the Civil War. Iraqi people are killing each other in a wrest for power today. The anarchy in Iraq may be taking place as a means to secure political leadership in the new government. Meanwhile, they use the presence of US troops trying to control the violence as a means of justification. Maybe we forgot the essence of terrorism. While I reject the use of logic employed by people like Soros to point out the fact that we are not making any new friends, maybe his criticism opens the door for improved relations in the future. In fact, the whole key to peace is based upon mutual respect and deterrence. Deterrence has kept the peace from major conflict for the past 50 years. Unfortunaltely, the lack of deterrence in the Middle East has kept the opportunity for progress to take place. I am not altogether sad to see the price of oil double since 911. The Middle East is gaining necessary wealth to deal with the economic requirements of their people. However, it would be shocking to see that the people of the Middle East are actually benetiting from the economic gains. I am sure that the governments throughout the OPEC nations have found a way to sqaunder the gains for their own purposes. Why doesn't anyone mistrust the intentions of the governments of the Middle East with the same vigor that they demonstrate towards our own public leaders? All we worry about is our dwindling popularity ratings as defined by the challenging Electoral Party.