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To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/13/2004 5:30:07 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Was Kerry's original discharge less than honorable?

Beldar blog

In a front-page article in today's New York Sun, reporter Thomas Lipscomb asserts that in all probability, Sen. John F. Kerry originally received a less-than-honorable discharge from the United States Naval Reserve — a discharge that was only upgraded to honorable after President Carter's 1977 executive order proclaiming a presidential amnesty for Vietnam War resisters.

My purpose in this post is to provide links to and more extended quotes from the documents that Mr. Lipscomb's article references for those who are interested in assessing this assertion, and of course my own admittedly tentative take on these issues.


I. The Claytor document

Mr. Lipscomb's assertion begins with this document from John Kerry's website, described there as Kerry's "Honorable Discharge From Reserve." Dated February 16, 1978, and issued in the name of Carter administration Secretary of the Navy W. Graham Claytor, it provides:

Subj: Honorable Discharge from the U.S. Naval Reserve
Ref:

(a) Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 1162
(b) Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 1163
(c) BUPERSMAN 3830630

Encl: (1) Honorable Discharge Certificate

1. By direction of the President, and pursuant to reference (a), you are hereby honorably discharged from the U.S. Naval Reserve effective this date.

2. This action is taken in accordance with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under authority of reference (b) to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty and determine whether they should be retained on the records of the Reserve Component or separated from the naval service pursuant to Secretarial Instructions promulgated in reference (c).

3. The Navy Department at this time expresses its appreciation of your past services and trusts that you will continue your interest in the naval service.


There's another 1978 document on the Kerry website, labeled "Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve," that as best I can tell simply reflects Sen. Kerry's acceptance of the Claytor letter.


II. Former sections 1162 and 1163 of
Title 10 of the United States Code

As part of a reorganization of the relevant portions of Title 10, sections 1162 and 1163 were repealed effective December 1, 1994, and because their text no longer appears in the current United States Code, they're somewhat hard to locate. However, with some digging using Lexis/Nexis, one can determine that as in effect from 1956 through 1994, 10 U.S.C. § 1162 read:

(a) Subject to the other provisions of this title, reserve commissioned officers may be discharged at the pleasure of the President. Other Reserves may be discharged under regulations prescribed by the Secretary concerned.
(b) Under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of Defense, a Reserve who becomes a regular or ordained minister of religion is entitled upon his request to a discharge from his reserve enlistment or appointment.

Since Kerry was not a regular or ordained minister, section 1162(b) can't have applied. Rather, the first sentence of section 1162(a), pertaining to "reserve commissioned officers," was what the first numbered paragraph in the Claytor document must be referencing, and stands for nothing more than the unremarkable proposition that the President has authority to discharge reserve commissioned officers.

Where things get interesting, however, is the second numbered paragraph of the Claytor document quoted above, and in particular its reference to the "approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under authority of [section 1163] to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty and determine whether they should be retained on the records of the Reserve Component or separated from the naval service ...."
As in effect from 1956 through 1994, 10 U.S.C. § 1163 read:

(a) An officer of a reserve component who has at least three years of service as a commissioned officer may not be separated from that component without his consent except under an approved recommendation of a board of officers convened by an authority designated by the Secretary concerned, or by the approved sentence of a court-martial. This subsection does not apply to a separation under subsection (b) of this section or under section 1003 of this title, to a dismissal under section 1161 (a) of this title, or to a transfer under section 3352 or 8352 of this title.
(b) The President or the Secretary concerned may drop from the rolls of the armed force concerned any Reserve (1) who has been absent without authority for at least three months, or (2) who is sentenced to confinement in a Federal or State penitentiary or correctional institution after having been found guilty of an offense by a court other than a court-martial or other military court, and whose sentence has become final.

(c) A member of a reserve component who is separated therefrom for cause, except under subsection (b), is entitled to a discharge under honorable conditions unless —

(1) he is discharged under conditions other than honorable under an approved sentence of a court-martial or under the approved findings of a board of officers convened by an authority designated by the Secretary concerned; or
(2) he consents to a discharge under conditions other than honorable with a waiver of proceedings of a court-martial or a board.

(d) Under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary concerned, which shall be as uniform as practicable, a member of a reserve component who is on active duty (other than for training) and is within two years of becoming eligible for retired pay or retainer pay under a purely military retirement
system, may not be involuntarily released from that duty before he becomes eligible for that pay, unless his release is approved by the Secretary.

Unfortunately, I've been unable to locate the text of the third reference from the Claytor document, "BUPERSMAN 3830630," which I presume to have been a Bureau of Personnel Management regulation.

III. Mr. Lipscomb's arguments from the Claytor document and sections 1162 and 1163 Here's Mr. Lipscomb's analysis of how the Claytor document and the two relevant statutes:

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163." This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.


After noting that the Kerry campaign had not replied to his inquiry about "whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge,"
Mr. Lipscomb discusses how a less-than-honorable discharge — one that would need further processing in 1978 to be upgraded to honorable — might have come about in the first place:

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?

NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."

Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.

The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."

For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.


Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."


Mr. Lipscomb next explains how the amnesty issued by President Carter may have facilitated an upgrade in 1978 if indeed Sen. Kerry's original discharge was less than honorable:

The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.

Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge....


There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.

Mr. Lipscomb also notes that to confirm or refute his chain of inferences, one would need Sen. Kerry's 1972-era records that could be expected to give details on whatever it was that the 1978 board proceedings were reviewing:

Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.

Mr. Lipscomb's reference here is most likely to Michael Dobb's August 22nd WaPo article, which reported:

Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages.

The Navy Department also confirmed that it has unreleased records that aren't on the Kerry website in response to the Judicial Watch complaint.

Beldar's take on Mr. Lipscomb's article

Rumors, supposition, and yes, inuendo about whether Sen. Kerry may have received a less-than-honorable discharge have swirled through the blogosphere at least since August, when the SwiftVets' ad campaign kicked off.
However, in previous articles published by the New York Sun and the Chicago Sun Times, Mr. Lipscomb has previously provided serious original investigative reporting on, for example, Sen. Kerry's documented attendance at VVAW meetings where assassinations of American political figures were seriously discussed, Sen. Kerry's re-issued Silver Star citation, the Navy Department's consideration of the Judicial Watch complaint, and the likely authorship of the 13Mar39 after-action report that likely was the basis for Kerry's Bronze Star and third Purple Heart. His latest effort is another serious attempt to probe the mysteries of Kerry's military record that most reporters, and certainly that Kerry-friend biographers like Doug Brinkley, have persistently ignored.

Are the inferences Mr. Lipscomb makes in this latest article justified? Quite frankly, I lack the personal military background, and the familiarity with either the normal or unusual workings of military separation proceedings, to draw a confident conclusion or argue it here.


But I'm certainly intrigued — indeed, that's too mild a word — by Mr. Lipscomb's reporting. And there's no doubt that the Kerry campaign and Sen. Kerry himself are stonewalling. If there is a contrary explanation for the odd timing of Sen. Kerry's honorable discharge, and documents to support that explanation, Sen. Kerry should have come forward with them.

As Mr. Lipscomb's article points out, if indeed Sen. Kerry received a less-than-honorable discharge as the result of his antiwar activities while still a commissioned officer in the Naval Reserve, "one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor" — although that spin would certainly be questioned by others who remain unpersuaded by the rationales that prompted President Carter's blanket amnesty in 1977 and, possibly, the upgrading of Sen. Kerry's discharge to honorable status in 1978 if in fact that's what happened. And others who agreed with President Carter's actions may still, in weighing Sen. Kerry's overall military record, find it significance if in fact Sen. Kerry's original discharge needed upgrading; the fact that one's since been forgiven by an act of presidential grace doesn't necessarily block the original transgression and punishment from consideration for purposes of determining fitness now to be the nation's commander in chief.


PoliPundit (hat-tip InstaPundit) has printed an email from a reader with some military and legal credentials who suggests that if Sen. Kerry's discharge was for "other than honorable" conditions, "bad conduct," or "dishonorable," that might have interfered with his admission to the Massachusetts bar in 1976. With due respect, however, I'm entirely unpersuaded by that particular suggestion. There were zillions of lawyers admitted to practice in the mid- and late-1970s despite convictions for protesting and minor drug offenses.

Expungements of convictions under the Federal Youth Corrections Act, for example, wiped clean the records of even felony convictions, clearing the way for a great many folks to become lawyers who'd otherwise have been disqualified, and I'm quite confident that most states' bars include members with worse records than what's being hypothesized here for Kerry. If Kerry's original discharge was "general-honorable conditions," for example — the next rung down from an unqualified honorable discharge — I doubt that the Board of Bar Examiners would have blinked an eye, much less done any serious investigation or raised any serious reservations. And even a lower-level discharge might very well have been forgiven for someone with Kerry's connections, background, and other military credentials.

In any event, Sen. Kerry needs to end the stonewall, before the election. If — as seems entirely possible, and now perhaps even probable — there are still-hidden facts about his separation from the Naval Reserve, then those facts should be revealed, and voters should be entitled to make their own value judgments about those facts. Sen. Kerry's refusal to address these issues squarely is in itself a strong basis for drawing inferences that reflect poorly on him.


Update (Wed Oct 13 @ 11:00am): Power Line's post promises an update with comments from the SwiftVets. Democracy Project has a post up, as do VodkaPundit, Milblog, and Captain's Quarters. Commenter Roland at CQ provides an interesting link to a current regulation, 32 C.F.R. § 70.9(b)(4)(ii), which provides that

A General Discharge for an inactive reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency.

I haven't done the digging to confirm it, but I suspect that this or something very similar would have been effect in 1972-1978.

beldar.blogs.com



To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/29/2004 6:21:39 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
October Surprise?

The Truth Behind Kerry's Military Discharge. What's Kerry Hiding?

HUMAN EVENTS - LT COL BUZZ PATTERSON

"I have nothing to hide. I want you to ask me questions."
--John Kerry, Reuters, August 3, 2004

The only 180 John Kerry hasn't accomplished in his litany of flip-flops throughout his campaign is Standard Form 180, the paperwork necessary for the complete release of his military records from the Department of Defense repository.

The Kerry campaign and website continue to claim he has released all military records. In fact, they've released the few documents painting the senator in a favorable light. There are at least 100 pages, promising to be much more revealing, still unseen. Kerry controls their release. All he has to do is sign the Form 180. To date, he has refused.

It goes without saying the main stream media isn't clamoring for him to comply although they hounded President George Bush relentlessly to release his Air National Guard records. Bush, by the way, did the right thing--he signed his Form 180
. Kerry has made his naval service the focal point for his election. Shouldn't we expect the war hero to open his military service to America?

Where is the outrage (I ask tongue-in-cheek)? Where is the objective journalism? More realistically, what is Kerry hiding?

Thomas Lipscomb writing for the New York Sun and Geoff Metcalf of NewsMax.com have been pursuing Kerry's military record irregularities and his refusal to authorize their release tirelessly. Without Kerry's assistance, however, it will take a critical and very timely leak or we will never know the truth behind Kerry's military service in time for it to make the difference.

With true patriotism and integrity, John O'Neill and the Swifties have proven beyond any doubt that Kerry lacks the character and moral fiber to be the leader of our men and women in uniform. (As an aside, I've been touring the country with John O'Neill over the last several weeks, and I've never met a finer human being.)

The final element in Kerry's absolute failure to meet the standards our military deserves in a commander-in-chief, in this retired officer's opinion, is in the factual nature of Kerry's discharge (although I would love for some resourceful citizen find a way to republish and distribute Kerry's radical, anti-American tome The New Soldier -- which my publisher Regnery Publishing has offered to do for free -- and hand it out at the polls on November 2).

As for every veteran, the truth will be found the form DD214
, the official Department of Defense document of release from military obligation given to Kerry when he exited military service on July 1, 1972. It is conspicuously absent from the documents released so far. Everyone serving in the military receives a DD214 the day they separate or retire from service. My suspicion along with a growing number of military personnel is that Kerry received an "other than honorable" discharge in the early 1970s as a consequence of his vehement anti-US, anti-military activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and his potentially treasonous tête-à-têtes with North Vietnamese Communist officials in Paris. If not, let him release his records. If so, America should demand the release.

Kerry's activities during his post-war political resume building efforts are expressly prohibited by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 104, Part 904; the United States Code Title 18, Section 953 (18 USC Sec. 953); and, arguably, the Constitution, Article 3, Section 3. In fact, the Constitution's 14th Amendment, Section 3 declares, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President . . . (who has) engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." In another time and another place, at a minimum, Kerry would have faced courts martial. In another time and another place, Kerry would be breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, the military penitentiary. Today, he stands on the brink of election as the leader of the free world.

Kerry has built an entire career based solely on four months in Vietnam and two years of post-war protesting. For a politician to have built so much on, and been so successful with, a foundation consisting largely of self-promotion, lies, and unpatriotic (some say treasonous) endeavors is utterly fantastic and extremely tenuous. And the Dems know it--ergo, the refusal on the part of the Kerry campaign to release the entirety of his military service records.

With what we do know, Kerry's paperwork doesn't pass the smell test. The few records so far released by his campaign identify FOUR "honorable" discharge dates (every other military member I know, myself included, received one). Kerry's released documentation notes discharges of January 3, 1970, February 16, 1978, July 13, 1978, and, most peculiarly, March 12, 2001. He has as many discharge dates as months he spent in Vietnam. In my twenty years in the Air Force and through the thousands of people I came to know and serve with, I have never heard of anyone in the military having more than one DD 214 with one discharge date. Kerry, according to his own campaign, has at least four.

There are five potential classes of discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Why does it matter? It's the sum total of one's military service boiled down in a phrase. Most employers require former military members to attach their DD214 to their employment application. Anything other than "Honorable" is seen as a character flaw. Bad Conduct and Dishonorable obviously are causes for additional concern.

Because Kerry is submitting his employment application to the American people and might become our military's next commander in chief, we may be asking our troops to support a man who held himself to lower standards than he would demand from our 2.3 million in uniform. (This is precisely what happened under Bill Clinton's stewardship when the military prosecuted servicemen for sexual infidelity and harassment while the commander-in-chief was committing similar crimes in the Oval Office). In fact, if a former military member applies for employment with defense related industry, he is required to sign and submit Form 180. Kerry, seeking to be CEO for our nation's defense, has refused.

Here's the crux of the confusion. On February 18, 1966, Kerry obligated himself to a six-year commitment to the Navy, and to the tenets of the military judicial system, with an expiration date of July 1, 1972. On January 3, 1970, Kerry asked for, and was granted, an early transfer from his active duty service to the Naval Reserve. As a reservist, he was still under oath as a commissioned officer and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He still carried a military ID card and was still a member of the U.S. armed forces. Kerry's service commitment came to an end, as scheduled, in July, 1972. As such, a DD Form 214 with a discharge status was due.

Kerry's "honorable" discharge, though, doesn't come until February 16, 1978. Why? Possibly because President Jimmy Carter, through Proclamation 4483, granted a full and complete pardon to all military personnel who committed offenses and violations of the Military Selective Service Act during the Vietnam War. He pardoned deserters, draft dodgers and those who went absent without leave (AWOL)
.

Interestingly, Kerry's honorable discharge letter from the Department of the Navy, dated February 16, 1978, notes that Kerry's discharge was taken "by direction of the President" and "with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under the authority of reference [10 USC Sec. 1163] to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve.." This is extremely unusual. Review boards are not convened for discharges and certainly not "by direction of the President." The "authority of reference," 10 USC Sec. 1163, refers to "the grounds for involuntary separation from the service." What was being reviewed, then, was Kerry's involuntary separation from the service or, more likely, the disposition of his service.

This simply would not have occurred if Kerry's discharge in 1972 had been "honorable." Why did Kerry's discharge meet a board? In all likelihood, he sought relief to improve his status of discharge from "dishonorable" or "less than honorable" to "honorable." If he signed his Form 180, we'd know. If he'd release his DD214 from 1972, we'd know
.

Finally, and most bizarre of all of Kerry's military records so far released is a DD 215, "Correction to DD Form 214," initiated for John Forbes Kerry on March 12, 2001. Among other things, the new form changes Kerry's official US Navy separation date to March 1, 1970! As noted earlier, he wasn't eligible for discharge until July, 1972, and was so. Why, then, the new document in 2001? Why, 29 years later, is there the need to correct or change the record
?

Here's why. By moving Kerry's discharge date to early in 1970, all of Kerry's post-Vietnam activities would be theoretically exempt from military justice. By moving his discharge date to March of 1970, Kerry's meeting with the enemy, North Vietnamese Communists in Paris in May of 1970, would be exempt. His joining the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in June of 1970 and his radical, anti-war anti-government activities that followed would be exempt. The Winter Soldier Investigation in January, 1971, and Kerry's infamous testimony to Congress in April, 1971 would be exempt. His arrest for his protest activities in May, 1971, would be exempt. His attendance at a VVAW meeting in Kansas City where the assassination of several prominent and hawkish U.S. senators was discussed and voted on would be exempt
.

Democratic presidential candidate Kerry has spent 35 years building a political career on four months in Vietnam. Apparently, he has spent 35 years covering up his post-war activities while still a member of the U.S. Navy many of which seem to be clear violations of the Constitution, US Codes, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Now, he stands on the verge of becoming our commander-in-chief, responsible for the stewardship of 2.3 million men and women in uniform. A former serviceman who won't come clean on his own record intends to command our forces and enforce the standards of military justice. We've been down this path before. America deserves to know. Our troops certainly deserve to know.

All it would take is for him to sign the Form 180.


humaneventsonline.com



To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/29/2004 11:17:03 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Rumor mill buzzing on Kerry's discharge status

BELDAR BLOG

My email inbox is brimming.

Yes, I'm aware that there are rumors buzzing about a breaking big story on Sen. Kerry's Navy discharge, about which I last wrote in a post entitled "Was Kerry's original discharge less than honorable?" on October 13th. My conclusion then was that records analyzed by reporter Thomas Lipscomb in a New York Sun article could support the hypothesis that Sen. Kerry received something other than a full-fledged honorable discharge. But as you'll see if you read my comments thread, there were lots of contrary arguments as well. And as I recognized in my last update to that post, there was at least one other plausible contrary inference from the records — equally speculative — that could have explained what seemed to be an odd statutory reference in a page from Kerry's records displayed on his campaign website.

The immediate source of the rumors is a
[since-pulled — see updates below] post by "NavyChief" on the SwiftVets site (but their server is likely to be overwhelmed shortly):

Okay, folks.

We got it finally. We have the Former Secretary of the Navy who stated, "Yes, Kerry did receive an Other Than Honorable Discharge".


Stay tuned for more...
Now to MAKE THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS LISTEN!

Go my brothers and sisters -- spread the news to everyone!!!!

- Chief_______________________________________________________

PoliPundit, Power Line, and Redstate all have threads up, plus check the Trackback link from Power Line and also the Trackbacks to my post here.

I have no inside info at this point, although I would not be surprised if, as PoliPundit's post suggests, this rumor may refer to something about to be published by Mr. Lipscomb. I know he's been continuing to work on the story, but I don't know any details.

I repeat that these are, at this stage, rumors, and I humbly request that anyone linking this post make clear that such is my present opinion.

Based on my past experience with him and reading of his work, though, like many others, I've found NavyChief
— a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer and father of five named Troy Jenkins from San Antonio, who's included (at about the 3-minute, 55-second mark) in the fourth of the SwiftVets' "mini-documentaries" released yesterday, entitled "No Man Left Behind (Pt. 1)" — to be a diligent, bright, and knowledgeable fellow. Like all of us, he's human, and he's occasionally stumbled in his digging through Kerry's records, but when he's done so, he's acknowledged it quickly. His new post on the SwiftVets site certainly indicates, however, that this is more than an inference drawn from records — and instead a former Navy Secretary, speaking, one would presume, from personal knowledge. (See also this very provocative post, from a blogger I'm unacquainted with and hence cannot vouch for even by reputation.)

As they say ... "developing." If this falls through, I'll be among the first to concede that point. If it pans out, I admit that I'll be tickled pink.


---------------------

Update #1 (Fri Oct 29 @ 2:35pm): The original thread on the SwiftVets forum has been pulled. Make of that what you will; I don't know what to make of it, but it would seem to be equally consistent with either (1) a glitch in the story that casts doubt upon it or (2) a desire to release the story in a less haphazard fashion.

Update #2 (Fri Oct 29 @ 2:52pm): This thread suggests that NavyChief's post was pulled because it represented his personal statement rather than something that the SwiftVets organization is yet ready to be identified with:

<<<
We have been advised that material was recently posted to this forum referencing the nature of John Kerry's discharge from the military service. That material has been deleted from this forum.

Please be advised that posts made to this forum express the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Swift Vets and POWs for Truth.
>>>

That strikes me as prudent at this point, regardless of whether the rumor turns out to be well-founded or not. This is still just a rumor.


beldar.org



To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/31/2004 12:27:16 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Kerry's October surprise

Friday, October 29, 2004

How's this for an October surprise?

While John Kerry is running around claiming President George Bush and our troops overseas failed the American people by not guarding an explosives dump without explosives in it, documents have been uncovered at Texas Tech University that show Kerry was following Vietnam War protest guidelines from North Vietnamese communists in the early 1970s.

"Wait! Why am I not seeing any of this in the national news media, Mr. Gaylon?" you might be asking. "This cannot be true. Our Democrat candidate for president surely wasn't on the side of the communists and carrying out their requests when he got home from valiantly fighting for his country and winning all those medals, was he?"

Yes, he was
.

The documents -- which actually LOOK like they came from the 1970s and not from a Microsoft Word program -- were found at the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University in Lubbock and reproduced from captured communist records. These documents have been PROVEN 100 percent authentic BEFORE their release
, unlike those 60 Minutes National Guard documents that CBS refuses to investigate.

They show that Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Viet Cong provisional governor of South Vietnam at the Paris Peace Talks, delivered a plan from Le Duc Tho -- Ho Chi Minh's second in command -- for American anti-war activities that anti-war protesters followed to the letter.

These documents are available at www.worldnetdaily.com or www.wintersoldier.com and show anti-war protesters not only received approval from the communists in North Vietnam, but also their direction. One of the documents states, "The spontaneous antiwar movements in the U.S. have received assistance and guidance from the friendly (i.e. communist Vietnamese) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks."

Another article at www.nysun.com/article/3756 also reflects on the North Vietnamese anti-war coordination with protest groups.

By the way, Madame Binh subsequently became the Minister of Information for the People's Republic of Vietnam after Saigon fell. You know what "Minister of Information" means in communist countries, right?

Of these organizations, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the communist organizations Peoples Committee for Peace and Justice and National Peace Action Committee were represented at the talks. Some representatives of these groups had their airfare covered by the United States Communist Party.

Shortly after Kerry returned from the talks he delivered Madame Binh's peace proposal through a press conference on July 22, 1971. He did so with veterans' families around him, a tactic that was suggested by the communists
.

However, he said he only attended the peace talks because he was on his honeymoon in Paris.

There are two problems, Hanoi John Kerry met twice, and possibly thrice, with communist officials in Paris. Also, his honeymoon was spent at the Jamaica home of the Pershing family with then (other) heiress wife, Julia Thorne, in 1970. I suppose Paris was a second honeymoon.

Kerry had also met illegally with Binh in 1970 while he was still a Naval officer on inactive reserve status, and in fact, all his meetings were under the six-year window of the term of his enlistment. This precludes him from even running for elective office, much less president, but nobody is mentioning it for some reason. Amendment 14, Section 3 states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-president, having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof
."

Other documents show the Hanoi plan for war protests, which was basically accepted and carried out by PCPJ, NPAC and VVAW and other protest groups, which eventually forced a vastly superior military force to capitulate to a sniveling gang of thugs because of propaganda and lies.

It was John Kerry's finest hour
.

So Kerry's earnest presidential campaign begins and ends the same place it started: Vietnam. And the whole way, the national liberal news media have ignored his crimes. They are overlooking this new evidence while inflating a bogus charge from the United Nations against the president during a time of war. Kerry is helping spread the lie, again, working against his government for his own purposes.

Those who think this man is even an American -- much less are willing to vote for him -- ought to have their heads examined. But then again, so few people on the left even know what it means to BE American anymore that I doubt Kerry's activities alarm, surprise or offend them. There is a growing body in the Democrat Party that sees nothing wrong with subservience to the United Nations on any and all issues. For them, Kerry must be a revelation.

But for Americans who do not trust an organization so guilty of greed, glorification of communism, thuggery, deception, virulent anti-Semitism and corruption, Kerry is anathema. His pursuit of the presidency should never have been allowed, but for all the left-wing propagandists in the media. They've refused to do their jobs and we're paying the price with a lousy Democrat candidate.

John Kerry took the direction of a foreign government in protesting one war and now he's doing it again. This time, as with the last, he is a willing puppet of people opposed to American strength
.

John Kerry is on the wrong side again, folks. I hope on Nov. 2 you're on the right one.


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To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/31/2004 7:56:27 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
HEWITT -

N.Z. Bear and Spoons are tipping a story on Kerry's navy discharge, due out tomorrow. Even if it isn't big news, it will underscore --again-- the amazing media bias that blanketed this campaign.

The sins of commission --Rathergate and munitions scam-- are paralleled by the MSM sins of omission --including Kerry's CIA man and his magic hat, the gun-running to Cambodia, the discharge mysteries, the unreleased records, THK's tax returns and philanthropic activism, the Soros connection. Kerry may be the most unexamined candidate of the last 7 elections. He wasn't Bush --that was enough for the MSM cheering section.



To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/31/2004 10:25:20 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
VIA E-Mail
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I have been working with two retired Navy Captain Judge Advocate General Corps
[attorneys for my non-military friends & colleagues] who have put exhaustive research into the circumstances surrounding Kerry's separation from the Naval Reserve after it was discovered that he was meeting with senior officials of an enemy government in time of war while he was still a naval officer. These two guys, Don Nelson and Mark Sullivan, have both put many MANY hundreds of hours of research into this effort and have produced the attached 4 page document of FACTS that all point towards an Other Than Honorable Discharge for Kerry--------- what makes it all the more credible is that both CAPT's Sullivan and Nelson were in active service when all this was going on and Sullivan was serving in a Pentagon action office that was taking action on these matters, including his being present to disgustingly watch the Carter Administration actions to give deserters and other traitors who had abandoned their units in time of war Honorable Discharges for their dishonorable service.

I've shared this information with everyone that I know in the news media, but if you have some contacts that might want to see it, feel free to forward the attachment on to them. While all this could be resolved with Kerry signing a standard form 180 to release ALL OF HIS MILITARY RECORDS, it's pretty obvious at this point that it's not going to happen------- and it is my concern that if Kerry is elected and the facts about this covered up discharge status are ever learned, the reaction of many in our nation will be much larger and more repulsive than the Jimmy Carter "malaise in America" disgust that most still attach to that administration.

Let us hope that all this will all be considered a moot point on Wednesday, but no matter what happens, I thought you would like to know about all the facts and details in the following 4 page document. And for my fellow Vietnam Vets, I know it will never be a moot point with us.

With all good wishes,

Rear Admiral [Ret.] Jim Carey

Veterans' groups and especially former POWs are highly skeptical that Senator John Kerry has posted a part of his naval service records which indicates that he received an honorable discharge but he continues to refuse to execute the release form that would allow public review of over 100 pages of other records.

To these Vietnam Veterans, it is simply inconceivable that Kerry could have received the same discharge that they did after his 1970 – 1971 grandstanding as a lead propagandist against his fellow Americans serving in combat in a "shooting war. It is a basic rule of debate and of litigation (Federal Rules of Evidence, Rule 107) that, that when a party relies on a part of a document as Kerry has done with his service record, fairness and the pursuit of the truth dictates that he produce all of the document
(or, in this case, at least the non-medical performance-related documents.) Similarly, when a party in an argument or in litigation conceals or holds back something that he could readily produce for inspection, the inference is an adverse one, namely: that the concealed matter would, if produced, be contrary to that party's interests.

These adverse inferences come squarely to mind in the case of the Kerry campaign naval service records since the key document, Senator Kerry's honorable discharge, is dated 1978 in the midst of the wholesale correction of military and protestor-related records that occurred at the outset of the Carter Administration.

On the very first day following Jimmy Carter's inauguration, he issued the first of a series of amnesties and pardons that initially extended to draft evaders who did not serve and ultimately extended even to service members if their conduct had been the topic of certain counter-intelligence surveillance.

The records posted by Senator Kerry reflect that he enlisted in the Naval Reserve as an officer candidate on February 18, 1966. He was a reservist on inactive duty until August 20, 1966, when he began Officer Candidate School. Kerry was commissioned as an Ensign, the entry level for naval officers on December 15, 1966, and remained on active duty for three (3) years and eighteen (18) days until January 3, 1970. Under the "Universal Military Training & Service Act;" 10 U.S. Code § 651(a), and under his enlistment contract, Kerry was obligated to serve a total of for six (6) years, including both active and reserve time. In keeping with this statute, at the conclusion of his three (3) years of active duty, Kerry was not issued a Discharge Certificate but was transferred to the Naval Reserve. Having served in Vietnam, Kerry was permitted, but was not required to drill.

Lieutenant Kerry did not drill, and was placed in the "Standby Reserve Active (USNR – S1)," also known as the "Individual Ready Reserve." As a matter of law, contractual commitment and long-standing custom, Kerry was not just like civilian activist, Jane Fonda and other war protestors. He was still a naval officer (with a Top Secret security clearance) who was subject to call-up when, in 1970 and 1971, he engaged in his leadership role in Vietnam Veterans Against the War ("VVAW") and in the fraud-ridden Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit which featured fakes and phonies as alleged G.I. barbarians admitting atrocities in Vietnam.

Per Kerry's records, no adverse action was taken against him administratively and, on March 1, 1972, after completing his six (6) years of mandatory service, Kerry was transferred to the "Standby Reserve – Inactive (USNR-S2)."
The Kerry records reflect an adjustment of that transfer date to July, 1972, which may reflect a retention in an active status for some now omitted administrative action. However, it also may reflect an adjustment to comply with the six year mandatory service law, adding back the months of "inactive duty" in 1966 between Kerry's enlistment and his reporting to Officer Candidate School.

Taking the Kerry campaign at its word that nothing material has been omitted from the posted records, the provocative nature of Kerry's protest activities presents an obvious question: why was no action taken against Kerry while he was a reservist in an active status?
Several explanations come to the forefront.

The first involves a bit of legal history. During the period from 1969 until it was overruled in 1987, the military services were constrained in their exercise of court-martial jurisdiction by the then-new, radical departure from tradition stated in O'Callahan v. Parker, 395 U.S. 258 (1969), an opinion by Justice William O. Douglas that is one of the very last opinions of the "Earl Warren Court." Under O'Callahan, the significance of one's status as a soldier or sailor, let alone the traditionally more demanding status of being an officer (and a gentleman), became secondary to whether one's criminal or subversive conduct occurred on duty or off duty. This was a difficult rule to apply to reservists and the military services exercised great restraint in asserting court-martial criminal jurisdiction, particularly in the case of reservists. The uncertain limits of the application to a reserve officer of the rule in O'Callahan would alone explain the lack of any punitive action against Senator Kerry for his VVAW and Winter Soldier Investigation excesses.

However, the criminal jurisdiction limitations of O'Callahan did not apply to administrative actions, raising the further provocative question why the Nixon Administration's Secretary of the Navy did not, at a minimum, proceed with administrative separation of Kerry based on the obvious grounds of his ineligibility to hold a security clearance. As any officer or former officer knows, personal reliability sufficient to warrant the retention of a security clearance is a basic requirement for any officer, active or reserve.

Faced with a choice between:

(1) the Nixon Administration supposedly "not being concerned" about the conduct of Fonda and Kerry, or

(2) there being some other overriding issue or concern,

the second choice is the far more likely option.

The recent, highly-publicized revelations of then-Lieutenant Kerry apparently meeting with and coordinating anti-war activities with representatives of the North Vietnamese government presents a compelling reason for the Department of the Navy to have elected not to have taken disciplinary action against Kerry.


In a series of highly publicized hearings in the 1970s that reached their climax in the Carter years, Senator Frank Church (D.-Id.) and Congressman Otis Pike (D.-N.Y.) severely criticized the Nixon Administration for "spying on U.S. civilians" who engaged in protest activities less inimical to the interests of the United States than coordinating protest activities with the enemy. Assuming that there must have been such surveillance of VVAW and the "Winter Soldier Investigation," it is a fair assumption that the interest of maintaining the investigative "cover," in and of itself, would have militated against taking any disciplinary action.

At the insistence of the Church Committee and Carter Administration, the Department of Defense formed the Defense Investigative Review Council which reviewed all such "spying" on civilians, purging the offending files and, where they affected military personnel, correcting personnel records tainted thereby. Thus, if adverse action had been taken against Lieutenant Kerry based on any such surveillance, it would have been a prime candidate for "correction
."

This then brings the analyst of the Kerry service records to the most intriguing documents on the Kerry campaign web page:

(1) the issuance of an honorable discharge certificate effective February 18, 1978, and

(2) the Silver Star Medal citation executed by Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Navy, John Lehman, seven or eight years after the alleged honorable discharge and over fifteen years after the incident for which the medal was awarded.

Taking the Kerry campaign at its word that nothing material has been omitted from the posted records, the significant item begging for an explanation is the gap between Kerry's 1972 transfer to "Standby Reserve-Inactive (USNR-S2)" and the issuance of the posted honorable discharge six years later.
A naval reservist in this inactive status cannot drill, cannot be promoted and is merely in a manpower pool. Under clear regulatory authority, including the Bureau of Personnel Manual article referenced in the February 18, 1978 letter that forwarded Kerry's honorable discharge (BUPERSMAN 3830300), Kerry should have been discharged no later than 1975, three years after the transfer to Standby Reserve-Inactive (USNR-S2), if not earlier.

The absence of the discharge that should be in the record in 1975 cannot be readily explained by blaming "bureaucracy." The military services faced significant force reductions in 1972 and again in 1974, making slow-rolling of separations unlikely.

Under the law then in effect, 10 U.S. Code section 1163, Lieutenant Kerry would have been entitled not to be separated without his consent or, in the absence thereof, with review of the Secretary of the Navy's action by a board of officers. Separation based on "conduct unbecoming an officer" or on commission of an offense (whether or not prosecuted criminally) of even misdemeanor level severity from the perspective of a civilian (i.e., an offense that could be punished by confinement of 6 months) would alone be enough to result in a discharge under conditions other than honorable. The current allegations that Lieutenant Kerry collaborated with North Vietnamese representatives would be a patent violation of the Logan Act, 18 U.S. Code section 953, and as such would easily meet this threshhold.

Unlike enlisted members, officers do not receive "other than honorable" or "dishonorable" certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation "are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of 'honor'." The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial.

Accordingly, in the absence of an explanation for the exceptionally late issuance of the honorable discharge on the Kerry campaign web site, the unmistakeable inference is that the separation really occurred when it should have, i.e., in 1975, and that the discharge certificate was a mere "general discharge" which was removed from the service record or, if the campaign is telling the truth that there was no other certificate, that it was a discharge under circumstances not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor
.

The inference of a discharge under such other than honorable circumstances is heightened by the odd and unexplained late re-issuance of Senator Kerry's silver star. Records of personal decorations are items subject to a 75-year retention by the Department of the Navy
. Under SECNAVINST 1650.1G, the NAVY AND MARINE CORPS AWARDS MANUAL, a medal may be revoked if the service after issuance has not been honorable.



To: Sully- who wrote (5692)10/31/2004 10:51:29 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
MALFEASANCE, AND SINS OF OMISSION

By Geoff Metcalf
October 31, 2004
NewsWithViews.com

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing!" -- Edmund Burke

Notwithstanding routine protestations to the contrary, America's mainstream media is on a 'Jones' to undermine a President in wartime, and collude with leftists to assist a candidate, who not only gave aid and comfort to the enemy 30 years ago, but also was their pawn.

New documented archive evidence proves that John Kerry was either a knowing co-conspirator with the communist Vietnamese (while he was still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice), OR he was a "useful idiot". Regardless of which of the available options is true, he is certainly 'Unfit for Command'...at ANY level
.

CBS was quick (premature articulation?) to pick at a phony scab sparked by fabricated documents. Political and personal bias synthesized to conspire with CBS to create a critical self-inflicted wound. Dan Rather says, 'Whoops!'....Kinda.

The New York Times (reportedly beating CBS to the punch) splashed a bogus story about 380 tons of missing Iraqi munitions. When NBC and an Army officer directly involved refute the bogus claim, the graying lady looks at her shoes (possibly seeing the reflection of Jason Blair) and shuffles her feet.

Meanwhile, a for real blockbuster story languishes beyond the view or attention of most Americans because 'it might be too controversial and influence the election'? Huh!?!?

I recently interviewed Dr. Jerome Corsi (co-author of 'Unfit for Command') and Scott Swett (founder of www.wintersoldier.com) and learned they can't get ANY big time media (including the presumed defenders of the truth at Fox News) to touch the product of their documented research?

Et tu Rupert? Maybe Fox was too busy with lawyers and cost benefit analysis of protecting their Marquee product...or have finally become intimidated my name callers?

Regardless of the reason, Fox News is as guilty of this sin of omission as the mainstream media they routinely vilify.

Newly discovered documents
(hiding in the ocean of data in archives) reveal a very direct and symbiotic link between John Kerry and the Vietnamese communists. No wonder the POW community is outraged (www.stolenhonor.com).

This stuff 'should' overshadow


* Questions about Kerry's hyperbolized daring do in Vietnam

* His 'revised' DD 214

* His multiple Silver Star citations

* His alleged less than honorable discharge and subsequent Carter/Clinton do-over...

* Or even his billionaire heiress du jour's piles of money and abrasive verbiage.

This is HOT...and the media (even the once dependable Fox News) is too chicken excrement/scared spitless to even try to discredit it?

The documents from 1971 were found in the Texas Tech Vietnam archives in Lubbock, Texas.

They reveal the Vietnamese communists were not just 'talking' but were in fact guiding and directing the American antiwar movement. They used meetings in Paris between their delegation to the Paris Peace talks and American antiwar activists to direct (not advise) efforts in the U.S
.

In the summer of 1970 John Kerry reportedly met with Madame Binh, the Viet Cong's chief negotiator in Paris. He subsequently returned to the U.S. to push for Madame Binh's '7-Point Peace Plan'. He made his pitch in Washington. D/C. in July 1971
.

Kerry didn't use the Binh 7-Point Plan as a 'guideline' for his recommendations...he used (and implemented it) as an Operations Order...complete with Surrender, Admission of Guilt, Reparations, the whole magilla
.

[Read: Hanoi's American Puppets?]
ice.he.net

Everything Madame Binh instructed Kerry to do, he DID. He did so either as a complicit co-conspirator, or as a 'useful idiot'...you decide
.

CBS, CNN, The New York Times et al seem to have to compunction about reporting on fabricated urban legends if or when it is in consonance with their preconceived views, opinions and prejudices. However, if or when corroborated documentation, which is irrefutable, emerges that undermines their biased agenda, the silence is deafening.

Corsi and Swett have tried to share the details and documentation of the story with EVERYONE in the media...and with the exception of some talk radio and Internet venues... this story is anathema. Why
?

PLEASE check out www.wintersoldier.com for the documentation and contact everyone you can to ask WHY is this significant information being denied the American people?


Ask:

CBS evening@cbsnews.com

NBC nightly@nbc.com

ABC peterjennings@abc.com

CNN www.cnn.com/feedback

FOX hannity@foxnews.com oreilly@foxnews.com

MSNBC joe@msnbc.com imus@msnbc.com

The New York Times executive-editor@nytimes.com managing-editor@nytimes.com

The Washington Post ombudsman@washpost.com

And your elected members of Congress.

John Kerry should not be elected to ANYthing...Ambrose Bierce once observed, "The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff." Amen!


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