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To: Neocon who wrote (147810)	10/14/2004 2:31:30 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I consider the Iraq war exemplary in its justice. Three simple questions: 1. Did you feel that way as the war was launched? 2. Did you feel that way as the war was "won"? 3. Do you feel that way now?

To: Neocon who wrote (147810)	10/14/2004 3:41:53 PM
From: dumbmoney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

To me, it is always just to overthrow a tyrant, although it may sometimes be imprudent. I would say it is always just (but sometimes imprudent) for a tyrant to be overthrown, but the justice of an act of war by a state to overthrow a tyrant is another matter entirely. Generally speaking, aggressive war is recognized as unjust. The architects of the Iraq war hoped that the result would justify the controversial means, but the results so far are less wonderful than they anticipated. Score one for traditional values.

To: Neocon who wrote (147810)	10/14/2004 3:47:16 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I believe in law and order, but if you told me that ten thousand civilians would be killed while making an arrest of somebody who posed no threat to our society, then I would ask why you think you can justify mass murder to go after an individual in this manner. Of course we had no right to make an arrest in the case of Saddam because he was the head of state of a sovereign country, so you have to go to war without justification (making up justifications that are hot air does not cut it). Then you "own" the country and are responsible for every death and all the destruction as well as finding some way to put the place back on its feet. From the day we invaded, every death in Iraq is the fault of the US.

To: Neocon who wrote (147810)	10/14/2004 3:48:49 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Some 28 U.S. GIs Face Afghan Abuse Cases 57 minutes ago World - AP Asia By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Up to 28 U.S. soldiers face possible criminal charges in connection with the deaths of two prisoners at an American-run prison in Afghanistan (news - web sites) two years ago, the Army announced Thursday. The most serious potential charges include involuntary manslaughter and maiming, the Army said in a statement. continued story.news.yahoo.com