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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (29473)	10/15/2004 7:17:40 AM
From: DayTraderKidd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

You are the loser Pete, The NRA isn't dissing Kerry becase he is going to take your gun away. They know if he gets in he will refocus on the assault ban issue. He voted on the same assault weapon ban that everyone else voted on. They just didn't vote to renew the ban. Even Bush encouraged them to vote on it so you arn't kidding anyone. Find something other issue to lie about Pete. Bush would rather give a job to a Muslim in Iraq than to an American at home. There ya go Pete, run with that one for awhile. Lets see what you can do with it...

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (29473)	10/15/2004 8:24:22 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Yo Peter. Last night I think rockhead lost his mind. You can have him. He is just a sad terrible person. He is comfortable spouting hateful terrible lies without batting an eye. It is no wonder these people find comfort in a Michael Moore. It makes them feel like their inclinations are socially acceptable. It makes them feel OK to spout hate, bald faced lies, and whatever else they can dream up. Funny, I never realized how much these people have nothing to offer until now.

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (29473)	10/15/2004 1:05:39 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

Right-wing propaganda is not FACT. Kerry is a gun owner, a hunter and a hawk for protecting the Second Ammendment. Bush claims (although he doesn't understand what he's saying) that he's a STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST. That would mean a 'well regulated militia.' That would not be YOU in your home. Therefore, he would be AGAINST THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO YOUR OWN PERSONAL FIREARM. Bush is either a liar, a flip-flopper or a hypocrite or...all three. Stop whining! No one is going to take your guns away unless you commit a criminal act. ================================ Fairfax, Va.: Does the Brady Campaign to Stop Gun Violence support our Second Ammendment right to bear arms? Supporters of the "Assault Weapons Ban" bill in Congress such as Dianne Fienstein have openly admitted that they would take away every gun from private ownership if they could. If the brady Campaign DOES support the Second Ammendment, then why align yourselves with people like her that would happily ban almost every type of firearm in the U.S., similar to what they did in the U.K.? In my opinion it is a very slipery slope and your ban is the first step in the erosion of our Constitutional rights. Brian Siebel: The Brady Campaign does not have a secret agenda to ban guns or take away guns from law abiding citizens. The 1994 assault weapon ban focused on military-style weapons and their high-capacity magazines and exempted 661 weapons. Dozens of law enforcement organizations have joined with the Brady Campaign calling for a renewal of this common sense law. Here are just a few of them: American Probation and Parole Association - APPA Fraternal Order of Police - FOP Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association - HAPCOA International Association of Chiefs of Police - IACP International Brotherhood of Police Officers - IBPO Major Cities Chiefs Association - MCCA Major County Sheriffs' Association - MCSA National Association of School Resource Officers - NASRO National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives - NAWLEE National Black Police Association - NBPA National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives - NOBLE National Sheriffs Association - NSA Police Executive Research Forum - PERF Police Foundation As far as the Second Amendment is concerned, the Brady Campaign supports the interpretation of the Second Amendment that the U.S. Supreme Court has adopted and has been joined by every federal appeals court except the Fifth Circuit -- that the Second Amendment is linked to service in a "well-regulated Militia"... Brian Siebel: Good question. We believe President Bush is a major reason why the ban was not renewed. He campaigned in 2000 with the promise that he would renew the ban on his watch, but when Speaker Hastert said it would take a telephone call from the President to bring renewal of the ban to a vote on the House floor (after the Senate had voted 52-47 for renewal this year), the President refused to make that phone call. I guess he would rather have the endorsement of the NRA and the millions it will spend attacking Senator Kerry than to keep his campaign promise and renew a law that made Americans safer and helped keep our law enforcement officers from facing criminals who outgun them. Voters have a clear choice this November on this issue. _______________________ New York, N.Y.: I'd like to know why the "assault weapons ban" is called that. I mean, there isn't a single "assault" weapon on it, just a number of semi-automatic weapons that happen to look more "aggressive" than other equally capable weapons. Brian Siebel: Here is how Gun Digest defined assault weapons in 1989 in The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons. "[T]here will always be a place for what are collectively termed assault weapons. . . . Most of them are effective for the type of warfare for which they have been designed: close range assault work. That's where firepower is a necessity either to make the enemy keep his head down so you can maneuver or, more permanently, to remove him from the action. . . . There is also an element of the civilian population that is showing an increasing interest in this type of weaponry. The vast majority of these shooters and gunowners purchase assault-type weapons limited to semiautomatic fire." The author clearly included semi-automatic versions of the military weapons named in the 1994 law - AK-47s, UZIs, TEC-9s, AR-15s, etc. With high-capacity magazines, a shooter can empty the 30 to 50-round clips these guns carry in only a few seconds. That is a military assault. _______________________ Quantico, Va.: you keep talking about criminals committing crimes and how outlawing assault weapons will stop crime. these weapons were banned for 10 years but you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a gun show, dealer, or newspaper full of them! they were still available for purchase in a variety of bizarre configurations. do you really think criminals are going to stop using weapons because there's a law on the books saying it's illegal? Brian Siebel: Yes, the gun industry did go out after the ban and make "copycat" weapons in an effort to get around the ban. Fortunately, it didn't work. We looked at copycat weapons as part of our On Target study and found even considering those guns there was a 45% decline in the rate at which these weapons were traced to crime over 10 years. True, copycats and grandfathered assault weapons were sold during the time of the ban, but they were used less and less frequently over the last 10 years. We think that is a good thing. Indeed, a very recent Justice Department study stated: "The ban prevent[ed] a few thousand crimes with assault weapons annually." _______________________ Washington, D.C.: Why is there continued support for a ban that's been shown to be inneffectual (20 percent drop in weapons used in assault weapons which can't be directly associated with the bill since gun violence in general has been falling over the last 20 years), in lieu of pursuing more favorable means that directly effect the reasons for gun violence in the first place like: income levels and jobs of those commiting crimes, adding more police on the street, tougher penalites for gun crime, strict enforcement of those penalties? It was crystal clear to anyone who has ever touched a gun that the restrictions in the ban were strictly cosmetic and would do nothing to control actuall gun violence. People were not being killed by the name of the weapon, the flash supressor, the magazines size, the bayonette lug, and the pistols grip. I think most people do support means of gun control that don't infringe on others Constitutional rights, such as manditory gun locks. But when you start legistlating away peoples Constitutional rights with generalized language, as was done with the AWB, it becomes much easier to do so in other cirumstances like the Patriot Act. Brian Siebel: I've addressed many parts of your question in response to others. I would like to address your point about having more police on the streets. Of course, we think that is a good thing. Unfortunately, the program that put 100,000 more police on the streets was a President Clinton initiative that President Bush has made major cuts to. We don't believe it is prudent in this time where we are focused on homeland security to take police off the streets and put high-firepower assault weapons back on them. In response to some of your other comments, no one lost a day of hunting due to the assault weapons ban. And renewing the law would only prevent thousands of new high-firepower weapons from reaching the streets, it would not take anyone's gun away. _______________________ Washington, D.C.: I feel like the gun debate has not really caught fire as a campaign altering issue. Could it be that Kerry's support of hunting is muddying the waters? Brian Siebel: Senator Kerry challenged President Bush last week very forcefully for his failure to do anything to get this law renewed despite universal support from law enforcement nationwide. Recent polls in the battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida indicate than when voters realize the difference between Senator Kerry and President Bush on this issue, they swing their support dramatically to Senator Kerry, who stopped campaigning in March to come to the Senate and vote for renewal of this law. (The polls can be found on our website at www.bradycampaign.org.) We believe this will be an issue between now and November 2nd. washingtonpost.com