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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (645347)	10/15/2004 9:34:41 AM
From: jim-thompson	Respond to of 769670

'Hanoi John' Kerry (I prefer his other name "Stolen "honor".... A strong condemnation of the Democratic Presidential candidate My wife had rotator cuff surgery earlier this year, and the recovery is terribly painful. Then, she developed a staph-epi infection, and they had to cut the same scar open and operate on her again. Just thinking about the pain and anxiety of facing that painful surgery a second time in the same wound, makes me cringe. That experience, however pales in comparison to what I am going through right now, in my heart. The old hurts are surfacing and the feelings of betrayal by fellow citizens, and their leader stirring them up, are breaking my heart again. I am being cut in the same scar. How did we who served in Vietnam suddenly become cold-blooded killers, torturers, and rapists, of the ilk of the Nazi SS or the Taliban? Most of us were American soldiers who grew up idolizing John Wayne, Roy Rogers, and all the other heroes. That was why I volunteered. But for political expediency, John Kerry has rewritten history, again. After spending only four months in the country of Vietnam, John Kerry testified before Congress in 1971 with these exact words about incidents he supposedly witnessed or heard about from other vets: "They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." I was a green beret officer who volunteered for duty in Vietnam and fought in the thick of it in 1968 and 1969 on a Special Forces A-team on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, just for starters. We were the elite. We saw the most action. Everybody in the world knows that. But we did not just kill people, we built a church, a school, treated illnesses, passed out soap, food, and clothing, and had fun and loving interaction with the indigenous people of Vietnam, just like our boys did in Normandy, Baghdad, Saigon, and everywhere American soldiers ever served. We all gave away our candy bars and rations to kids. Our hearts to oppressed people all over the globe. My children and grandchildren could read your words, and think those horrendous things about me, Mr. Kerry. You are a bold-faced, unprincipled liar, and a disgrace, and you have dishonored me and all my fellow Vietnam veterans. Sure, there were a couple bad-apples, but I saw none, and I saw it all, and if I did, as an army officer, it was my obligation to stop it, or at the very least report it. Why is there not a single record anywhere of you ever reporting any incidents like this or having the perpetrators arrested? The answer is simple. You are a liar. Your medals and mine are not a free pass for lifetime, Senator Kerry, to bypass character, integrity, and morality. I earn my green beret over and over daily in all aspects of my life. Eight National Guard green berets, and other National Guard soldiers, have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you totally dishonored their widows and families by lumping National Guard service in with being a draft-dodger, conscientious objector, and deserter, just so you can try to sabotage the patriotism of our President who proudly served as an Air National Guard jet pilot. I have a son earning his green beret at Fort Bragg right now, and his wife serves honorably in the Air National Guard, just like President Bush did, and I am as proud of her as I am my son. I volunteered for Vietnam and have no problem whatsoever with President Bush being our Commander-In-Chief. In fact, I am proud of him as our leader. John Kerry, you personally derailed the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, HR2883, in 2001, after it had passed the House by a 411 to 1 vote, and thousands of pro-American Montagnard tribespeople in Vietnam died since then who could have been saved, by you. Earlier, as Chair of the Senate Select Committee on MIA/POW Affairs, you personally quashed the efforts of any and all veterans to report sightings of living POWs, when you held those reins in Congress. You have fought tooth and nail to push for the US to normalize relations with Vietnam for years. Why, Mr. Kerry? Simple, your first cousin C. Stewart Forbes, CEO, of Colliers International, recently signed a contract with Hanoi, worth billions of dollars for Collier's International to become the exclusive real estate representative for the country of Vietnam. "Hanoi John," now that it works for you, you beat your chest about your Vietnam service, but to me, you are a phony, opportunistic, hypocrite. You are one of those politicians that is like a fertilizer machine: all that comes out of you is horse manure, and you are spreading it everywhere. Medals do not make a man. Morals do. by Don Bendell, Canon City, Colorado thegunzone.com

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (645347)	10/15/2004 9:39:05 AM
From: BlackDog777	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

J.C. Don't waste your time on this guy. Only nutcake Dem partisan hack would accuse somebody for cheating after their candidate just won a debate. It's like having your football team win by three touchdowns and then you whine afterwards about a lack of a call. How retarded is that?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (645347)	10/15/2004 11:13:56 AM
From: E	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769670

Aren't you the poster who defended throwing the innocent Japanese citizens into camps during the second world war even though not a single one was ever shown to have done anything wrong and J. Edgar Hoover disapproved? So many questions you ask! On the Sopranos, they don't need to both hear the conversation, despite ambient noise such as a truck engine, and be able to transmit back to the person, and scramble the messages in both directions. THAT is what the expert on such devices said is the explanation for the size of the object, and no one has posted any evidence that there exists a powerful transmitter/receiver/scrambler as tiny as the simple transmitting device a Sopranos rat needs, or smaller than the vertical ridge under the tee shirt. I heard an expert say on TV that to do those things, that size would be required. I'm asking simple questions. And a lot of them, too! Okay. Here we go: 1) Do you think Bush's handlers were smart enough to wire him up, but too dumb to notice a big bulge on his back? (Do you think they missed the bulge even when it was just a T-shirt??) So you see the bulge under the tee shirt! Yay! Does it look like a flak jacket to you? So far no one has answered either yes or no to that. I myself don't know what it is, only what it isn't. A flak jacket. They wouldn't have sent him out there with the "big bulge" you yourself see on his back, especially the one in the tee shirt, if they'd thought it would be detectible and they planned to deny there was anything there. You have detected it, though. Oops. 2) As soon as the debate ended and families came on stage -- Didn't people pat GW on the back? Didn't Bush embrace (lightly!) Theresa? Didn't Kerry put his arm around Bush's shoulders? Ddn't Bush have his back to the cameras as the crowd milled? (Do you think GW just forgot he had a big box taped to his back?) A "big box"? I missed that photo. I saw those bulges, though. I don't know if anyone palpated his back, and if they did, what they felt. Neither of us do. And yes, Bush did have his back to cameras. If he hadn't, there wouldn't be photographs of the bulge under his suit. (Under the suit, I'd assume it was a flak jacket the WH was for political reasons lying about, if it weren't for the tee shirt photo. In that case, they might reasonably have figured he was sitting with his back against the car seat, so no problem. Oops.) Do you credit GW with the mental agility to listen to Kerry's answer in ONE ear, while simultaneously listing to Karl Rove talking in his OTHER ear? That he could sort through this crossfire of words instantaneously so as to immediately frame and deliver a cogent and appropriate response to what Kerry said? Is GW that cool and clever? If he is, why did he need the coaching in the first place? I don't know about "crossfires," or Bush's mental agility. I don't even know if it was a listening/transmission/two-way encryption device, though I can see that if they feed him lines by audio, which I heard them do when he made a speech (unless you have an alternative explanation for that unknown person's voice whose every inflection he copied), it might be easy enough to escalate to thinking, "hmmm, a brief prompting reminder of previously-learned sound bytes might be helpful to him..." Where do you think the wiring was done? Back stage? (Where would they find a secure place?) Back in the the hotel room? (And in all the time afterward no one around GW noticed the bulge which you find so obvious in the picture?) (You know that "wiring" is just a generic word used for the sitution and is not really applicable, as there aren't any wires, I assume.) I don't know whether the bulging item was put on his back at the hotel or in his dressing room or where, I wasn't there. (I also assume that the WH could afford powerful enough equipment that they don't have to be "back stage" for it to work.) But your "simple questions" puzzle me, since you acknowledge the bulges in the four photographs I've posted, including the one under the tee shirt. So don't be coy, just tell me what you think they are. The WH says the president is not wearing a flak jacket at the debates and you can see in the tee shirt photo that it's not a flak jacket. Note that I answered every question you asked to the best of my ability and did not engage in personal insult. I'd appreciate your answering one question and if you'll do that ("Be the first in your crowd!"), you may feel free to be as rude as so many of your collegues customarily are: What is the ridge under his tee shirt as he sat in the truck answering reporters' questions, iyo? (I know it can only be speculation, and "I don't know" is an answer.) If you're up for a second question, how about at the debates? I won't be back for a while, I have to go out now.