To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (11735 ) 10/15/2004 3:35:05 PM From: Cary Salsberg Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25522 I have some conclusions from the JP Morgan report and the 4 conference calls. 1. There will be no semi and equip downturn as long as the eonomy is expanding. 2. The economy and the semi expansion will slow from time to time and the short term effect on some equips will be very significant. 3. The investment climate for semi equips is more difficult than in the past and more difficult than for selected semis. 4. The metrics for semi-equips need to be reevaluated. The book value at the bottom followed by a strong, rapid rise to high EPS at the top is no longer valid. The misuse of these metrics at "inflection" points has added to price volatility. 5. There has been some discussion of LRCX and NVLS and I think they illustrate what is wrong with semi-equips when compared to semis like ALTR, XLNX, LLTC and MXIM. The 4 semis are great innovators, but they are also great at maintaining the bottom line. LRCX has done very well at the bottom line, but they can't move beyond the niche established at their founding. NVLS has been second only to AMAT among US companies in innovation, but they are predicting up to a 50% EPS fall on a 25% fall in revenue and an 18% fall in shipments. NVLS must change its cost structure relative to revenues. LRCX and NVLS had 50 and 48% gross margins, respectively, compared to 77% for LLTC and the mid 60s for ALTR and XLNX. LRCX had $50M R & D cost on $419M revenue compared to NVLS $68M on $415M. NVLS hurts the bottom line and LRCX cancels its CMP program. Short term, LRCX looks better, but I like what NVLS is doing for longer term. Of course, NVLS will need to get significant profitable revenues from PVD and CMP to justify the hit to current results.